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Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Good morning
everybody and welcome back to
the podcast.
We've been delayed a little bit
because of the hurricane that
came through Florida.
There's been a little crazy
around here.
Speaker 2: Good morning.
Speaker 1: We're back in the
studio and creating podcasts
again now that everything's got
a little bit of normalcy back in
the area, and so here we are
once again.
Speaker 2: We've put our kayak
away and we're now earthbound
again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy
here 100 mile an hour winds, 126
mile an hour gusts.
It was a pretty crazy hurricane
that came through.
There's been lots of people
that were affected by it.
So keep everybody in your
thoughts and your energetic
exchanges and, you know, let's
put everybody up on the pedestal
to bring their reality back to
normal.
Speaker 2: Be a good thing,
whatever that is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever their
reality is.
Anyway, so we're back in studio
and we're here to talk about a
couple things conversation with.
Do you ever go through life and
have situations that happen
that you perceive different from
others and you create a result,
based off your perceptions and
your expectations, that other
people don't view the same?
all the time time, and Dr Jenny
and I talked about this this
morning.
It's about definitions, how we
define things and how we define
the differences in interactions,
in exchanges, in life's little
ups and downs, as some people
would call them.
We prefer more ups than downs,
but how do you define those
situations and why do you define
them that way?
Speaker 2: Right yeah, the
definitions are what create the
belief.
I agree, or does the?
Speaker 1: belief create the
definition no, no, I agree.
Or does the belief create?
Speaker 2: the definition.
No, the definition that you
give.
It creates the belief, and the
belief is a mechanism that
always must be true.
So it will create, you will use
those beliefs to create
realities, even on an
unconscious level, to keep that
belief being true.
So if your definition is wonky,
then you're going to create a
belief that's wonky, thereby
creating a reality that is wonky
, just like when you started
with the hurricane.
Just like when you started with
the hurricane.
A new definition instead of a
hurricane being defined as a bad
thing or an unpleasant thing, a
new definition could be Florida
.
Then we wouldn't have all these
trees that fell and broke and
caused so much damage, living
through a loophole that humans
created by bringing about a
hurricane so that those branches
would break off that are no
longer viable in life, or
bringing the whole tree down.
Then the hurricane comes
through, it breaks off the
branches that we as humans are
not willing to cut because it's
a protected tree, off the
branches that we as humans are
not willing to cut because it's
a protected tree, thereby
bringing back some vitality to
the tree or the living thing in
that manner, and so that's a
positive way to look at the
hurricane, a little bit of a
spin difference there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit
and like, what Jenny's talking
about is the Florida State tree,
is the live oak.
They're very shallow rooted and
like every tree that's, the
Florida State tree is the live
oak.
They're very shallow rooted and
, like every tree that's down
after a hurricane, is a live oak
, and so maybe it is Mother
Nature just cleaning out the
trash, you know, removing the
old to get rid of the new, yeah,
to bring in the new Right.
And that's kind of what
definitions do right.
Speaker 2: Yeah Well, and you
know, the other thing is is that
, if the collective is really
fussing and carrying on as
humans when something tragic
happens, what does it do?
Speaker 1: Pulls everybody
together.
Pulls everybody together.
Speaker 2: And we all help each
other out.
You said in the intro put that
positive energy out there for
everybody, Keep them in your
thoughts, Put them on a pedestal
, Bringing everybody together,
Bringing back that compassionate
heart, Putting everybody in
that oh my gosh, this happened.
There's so many people out
there suffering.
Let's give them more love and
compassion.
So that again is just a
different spin on.
It brings the collective back
together to do what we naturally
are meant to do, which is have
love, understanding and
compassion for the whole.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, the
previous podcast that we did was
about what's your superpower.
Yes, you know, the previous
podcast that we did was about
what's your superpower.
Speaker 2: And a lot of the
times our superpowers can be.
Speaker 1: Did you edit that one
yet it's not posted yet but it
will be before this one goes up.
Speaker 2: I was going to say
they don't even know what you're
talking about.
I don't think we got that one
edited yet.
Speaker 1: No, it'll be up and
I'm going to plan on doing it
tonight and finishing it up.
I'm almost to plan on doing it
tonight and finishing it up.
I'm almost done with it.
But our superpower can be the
fact that we define things
differently and we help people
to see different directions and
different perspectives on
situations that happen to be
differently thought through and
allow the energies and the
belief system to operate in
those manners.
Sometimes, when we define them,
it creates the reality.
That's not always in our best
interest.
Speaker 2: Yes, I agree.
That's exactly how it works If
you've got a definition that is
out of whack out of date weird.
Then you're going to create a
belief which is basically rules
by which you live, unconsciously
or even consciously.
Then you're going to have
certain actions come from your
physical body that are going to
create situations, circumstances
and events to make that belief
true.
Speaker 1: Whether it's good or
not.
Speaker 2: Whether it's pleasant
or whether it's unpleasant, it
doesn't matter.
It's going to make itself true
always.
Speaker 1: So let's give an
example, like the other day we
had one of the people that
reside in our facility.
She made a statement to me of
she don't understand why Mother
Nature does this to her kids and
because her kids are out
without power, without water,
and she don't understand why it
happens and she's praying to god
about it and and all this
negative reasoning that she put
behind it.
Yeah, when I was talking to her
, I was like well, did you think
of it?
That maybe they had to get rid
of the old to bring in the new?
You know they had to.
Like she was talking about how
her son's addition to her house
got that tree fell on it and he
had been talking about he should
cut that tree down because he
was afraid of it and all this
other stuff.
And now hindsight's, 20-20, but
why does God do this?
And so I was like you gotta
take it in a different direction
.
Thought process is he wasn't
listening to his intuitive self
of hey, this tree needs to come
down, it needs to get out of off
my property because it's going
to damage my home, instead of or
accepting the fact that he
wasn't listening to his own
intuition, based on his own
definitions and creating his own
reality, and so he kind of, in
a way, if he'd have listened to
his intuition, he may have
prevented this thing that she is
defining as negative.
Speaker 2: Or if he had just
changed the definition and not
been afraid of the branch Right
and eliminated the fear, the
fear of it falling.
That has a frequency and it
will bring more of that
frequency of fear to you and
most of the time it brings about
the very thing that you're
afraid of.
Speaker 1: Because it makes it
true.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: By definition of the
whole mechanism and how it works
.
It's a frequency that you're
putting out, and so if you're
afraid that the tree is going to
fall, then the tree is going to
fall.
I don't remember who said the
statement, but it was a very
accurate statement.
If you believe you can or you
believe you can't, either way,
you're correct.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was that
guy.
Speaker 2: Napoleon Hill, maybe?
No, it was somebody a long time
ago.
It was one of those and I don't
remember exactly who it is.
Please forgive me for not
giving you ample credit, but I
acknowledge that you're one of
the greats, and you did say it.
Speaker 1: And it is completely
spot on.
Speaker 2: If you believe you
can't, then you won't.
If you believe you can, then
you will, and so that's why
beliefs are very vital.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the definitions
around the things that you
believe in are as important as
well.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And so looking at
what you're defining, because if
you are giving something a
definition, are you giving it a
definition that is accurate,
correct, or have you created a
story in your head that is your
perspective of what the
situation, person or whatever is
thinking, and then, because of
that, you give it a definition
that is not beneficial, and then
in creating a belief, and then
from there you're creating a
reality that's unpleasant what
comes to mind for me is a long
time ago I heard a story, and a
friend of ours just recently
bought me a poster that really
reflects upon this.
Speaker 1: It is called the tale
of two bulls.
So there's this grandpa talking
to a grandson and the son had a
problem at school.
And he comes to his grandpa and
his grandpa's telling him you
know, have you heard about the
two wolves?
One's a good wolf, one's a bad
wolf, and they get into this
daily argument and fight, they
fight.
They're destroying each other's
reality.
The grandson turned to the
grandpa and said well, who won
the fight?
And the grandpa says the wolf
that you feed.
So if you have a good wolf or a
bad wolf and what made this
relate to me in this thought
process was we define good and
bad- yeah.
And so whichever wolf the wolf
that they're defining as bad
could be defined by somebody
else's good.
And I think that's the major
thing in this definition part is
understanding that everybody
has a little bit different
definition of every topic out
there, every situation that
happens, every belief.
I think the big awakening part
of that is we have to be
accepting of everybody's
definitions.
Just because it doesn't match
our definition Doesn't mean it's
wrong.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean it's
definitions Just because it
doesn't match our definition
doesn't mean it's wrong, doesn't
?
mean it's wrong Right, because a
bigger viewpoint of it is is
that we are every single one of
us, on every level and every
aspect, are as unique as our own
fingerprint In our beliefs, in
our definitions, in our energy
patterns, in our physical bodies
, in our beliefs and our
definitions and our energy
patterns and our physical bodies
and our body makeup.
I mean that's why, like in the
physical world, some people can
take this medicine and it
positively benefit them.
Other people can take it and it
negatively benefit them.
Like that's what's wrong with,
I think, the whole premise of
spirituality and religion and
health and all of that is that
the they is trying to cram us
all into a blanket concept that
we're all the same and that this
thing or that thing is going to
work for every single one of us
.
So, getting to a place of
understanding that there's that
many different religions because
each religion resonates
spiritually with that group of
individuals.
There's that many medications
out there because that
particular medication resonates
differently with each individual
in the way that it should or is
supposed to, and you can look
at that in every single thing
that's out there.
Different things resonate with
different people at different
times.
Speaker 1: In different ways.
Speaker 2: And in different ways
.
You know we are constantly
evolving, changing individuals
from one parallel reality to the
next, every single second and
I've said that in other podcasts
You're a whole different person
from frame to frame, which is
every single millisecond.
You're a whole different person
and what resonates with you
yesterday or even two seconds
ago may not be what resonates
with you in a minute or in an
hour or in the next day.
And so giving yourself space to
be that changing person Because
, as I bring it back around to
definitions, if you have a
definition that you have to have
, say, this daily routine that
keeps you grounded, and you
stick to that like glue, and it
has to be the same way you're
not given space for your own
self to evolve.
But if you say the intention of
I want to grow and evolve as a
spiritual being, as a physical
being, as a human, but then you
put yourself in this box of,
okay, I've got to follow this
step by step and I've got to do
it for the rest of my life or
for the next 30 days or whatever
, and you're not kind of
listening to the intuition of
your energy body, your physical
body, your mental body, then
you're not giving yourself space
to evolve and grow, because
you've got yourself confined to
this belief based on the
definition that, oh my gosh, I
have to follow this step-by-step
routine, whether it be a
physical routine, a mental
routine or energy routine and if
I don't, something is going to
go wrong.
And so I guess what I'm saying
is giving yourself space for
that routine to change on a
minute-by-minute basis.
Maybe it does stick with you
and resonate with you for a week
, a month, a year.
Either way, it's not right or
wrong, it just is what it is.
And giving yourself that space
to grow and evolve, as you've
requested, right.
If you request it, and then
you're not letting it in because
you have all of these criteria
that it's got to be this way, or
it's got to be this way because
they whoever the they is, the
book that you read or the church
that you went to, or the parent
that you were raised by, said
it has to look like this.
Or you're not successful, or it
has to look like this, or you
won't get.
Well, those are all conditions
that are keeping you confined to
a specific reality.
Then what happens is that
tangles up with the sense of
loss of control, then the sense
of oh my gosh, this is not
working.
I can't evolve like I want to.
It's not meeting the
expectations that I have or the
things that I want to see happen
.
It's because that's all getting
jammed up and jumbled up,
because you've got definitions
in place that are not letting
you grow and expand.
So, as a spiritual being, we
come here for the pure, simple
experience of expansion
expansion and growth.
That is the whole purpose and
whatever that looks like, and so
the reality of it is on a
bigger scale.
There is not a right or wrong.
You never get it done.
Number one yeah, you're never,
done, you're never done and you
don't get it.
It's one, yeah, you're never
done, you're never done and you
don't get it right or wrong,
it's not right or wrong, it's
whatever it's serving the
purpose of in that moment.
And it could change moment to
moment.
Speaker 1: Well said, very well
said, good job.
Speaker 2: Thanks, where's my?
Speaker 1: Oh, very well said.
Yeah, woo, yeah.
I think part of that that we
should add to it is being open
and receptive to why.
So when there's a situation
that happens, that puts us in a
controversial place, or a action
that we do, that we don't like,
but we don't know, you know why
did, why did I do this or why
did this happen?
I think the question why is a
crucial part of understanding
when definitions need to change.
Speaker 2: It can be, but it can
also jam you up if you're not
careful, because sometimes we're
not meant to know what the why
is.
Yet I agree, and so if you
hyper-focus on why is this
happening to me?
And it's not time for you to
see what the why is because the
universe is orchestrating this
much bigger magnificent thing,
magnificent thing and you,
knowing what the why is, would
change the manifestation of this
thing then you're not going to
get the why understood and so
you kind of have to be careful
with the why I get it.
Speaker 1: But I know when I
have something that happens to
me, I always stop after my
emotions get out of the way of
it, because emotions seem to to
hinder me from really thinking
through something, and so I have
to get my emotions out of the
way, clear the energy of it, and
then stop and say why did this
happen to me?
What?
What is it that I can identify
as something that did not
resonate with what happened or
what occurred, or and did I?
Did I set the intention
inappropriately, based on a
definition that doesn't, that is
antiquated or doesn't fit into
my reality anymore?
That is when I say why is
stopping and figuring out okay?
So what's the definition of
this?
What's the definition of that?
One of the situations that come
to mind in my reality is our
current status of employment,
and things happen in this that
we can't control.
Well, let me rephrase that it's
not that we can't control them.
We're creating a reality, but
our company does things that I
wouldn't necessarily do.
Speaker 2: Right, so were you
finished with your thought
process?
Not quite.
Speaker 1: And so I have always
asked myself why am I looking at
this negatively?
When it's their company?
All I do is operate within
their parameters.
So that kind of gives me a
little bit of ease of mind when
I can identify why it's
bothering me, like, for example,
in this one topic I'm talking
about.
The reason why is because I
wouldn't have done it that way.
But I have to be okay with it
because I've accepted those
parameters that I work within
their company.
Speaker 2: Right?
No, I mean you have to do
whatever makes it feel better
for you Because, again, like
I've talked about, your gauge in
all of that is your feelings.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: And whatever it is
you need to do to make yourself
get to a feel-better place
within it so that you can have a
different perspective or a
different viewpoint on it.
Because if you're still in that
vibrational frequency of
feeling the heavier emotions or
the less feel-good emotions
within it, the solution or the
clarity has a different
vibrational frequency than the
thing that you're viewing as the
uncomfortable aspect.
Yeah, they're on two different
frequencies.
Yeah, they're on two different
frequencies, and so you've got
to find a way to get to that
place of feel better is what has
to be in play.
And not any one of us not even
us can tell anybody what that is
.
All we can do is give
suggestions on okay, you know
what this worked for me.
Try it on for size and see how
it feels.
If it works for you, great, use
it.
If it doesn't, file 13 that
booger and move on to the next
thing.
Don't be afraid to try things
and don't take what we say as
the Bible or the gospel on.
Okay, if I do the things that
James and Jenny are saying to do
, then my whole world is going
to change and it's all going to
be better, because that's not
what we're saying.
Which is what we hope happens
though Of course that's our
intention is that everybody
figures out how to get to that
place and have amazing reality,
but we're just giving techniques
to tricks and techniques that
worked for us along the way for
people to try on.
I agree so whatever that looks
like for you and if that's how
you get to a feel better place,
then you do that now, once you
get ready to go to a deeper
level call me.
Speaker 1: Call me
wwwthemertcentersorg.
Speaker 2: Because there is a
rabbit hole perspective on all
of that that you just said you
were talking about.
The company does XYZ and I feel
like I can't control it.
It's out of my control, so I do
these things to have a better
understanding.
Once you're ready to get past
that and look at it on a
different level, then that's
kind of a rabbit hole place to
go, because we won't go there.
Nobody packed a sandwich today.
I think the bread's soggy from
the hurricane.
Okay, go ahead there.
Nobody packed a sandwich today.
I think the bread's soggy from
the hurricane.
Okay, but go ahead.
I think I want to have a quick
conversation about this, though.
Okay, it is okay to not have a
feeling about something as well.
Okay, let me say it differently
.
Society and other people can
sometimes expect us to always
have some sort of emotion and
physical reaction to
circumstances and events, agreed
, and if we don't have any kind
of emotion or any kind of
physical face or reaction to
something, then we're considered
weird, like why are you just
sitting there with no emotion on
your face?
Why are you sitting there with
no emotional response to it?
And I think getting to a place
where it's okay to not have an
emotion, just the same as it is
okay to have emotion.
That's balanceability, not
being uncomfortable, not
necessarily having no emotion
about something.
Because as you work on your
definitions and as you begin to
realize, okay, I've got
definitions I need to change,
and everything, what I noticed
for me is that it temporarily
removes any kind of emotion
about it, and at first that was
like, oh, my God, I'm going to
be just like this Alexa AI that
has no emotion and that's weird
and it's not right and it's
wrong and something's wrong with
me.
My God, I'm going to be just
like this Alexa AI that has no
emotion and that's weird and
it's not right and it's wrong
and something's wrong with me,
so coming to a place where
having no emotion about
something is okay as well.
You don't have to have some
sort of emotion about it,
especially if it's not a true
organic emotion.
Don't create an emotion just
because somebody or something
outside of you expects you to
react or respond in a certain
way, and so then you unnaturally
create some sort of emotion
around it when you wouldn't
normally.
Because, then that's when things
get confused and jumbled up,
like you asked me if I was
excited about something and, for
whatever reason, I was at a
place in my mind where I was
like, well, I mean, that doesn't
really, I don't really feel
excited, and so I'm not really
going to give you some physical
facial example or some body
language of unnatural excitement
.
That's not there.
I'm not going to create it just
because the person feels like
they need it.
Right, it's okay for me to not
necessarily have an emotion
about something.
That's an okay place to be as
well.
Speaker 1: Right, don't create
emotion because you have an
expectation that other people
expect you to have an emotion.
Right and so you would put one
in place when there's not
normally one in place.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And based off a
definition of what you think
they expect of you.
Right, okay, that's fair.
Speaker 2: And being okay with
having no emotion about it.
It just is kind of a so what
thing?
Like if you don't have a
definition or you don't have an
opinion or you don't have a
concept or a viewpoint on
whatever the topic is, it's
perfectly okay to have no
emotion about it, necessarily to
just be truly neutral about it,
and and that be okay as well
yeah, I totally agree with you
our emotional navigational
system through life that's based
off pain and pleasure.
Speaker 1: Sometimes, if we have
a definition in place that
people expect us to have an
emotion, emotional or physical
or human response to something
and we don't, we will run
through our rolodex real quick
and just grab one and put it in
place, which in turn creates
another definition based off
that reaction that you're going
to repeat, because definitions
create beliefs right, and so
you're it would.
It can cause a rabbit hole of
events.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it can kind
of muck up the reality.
Speaker 1: Kind of having that
nonchalant attitude towards
those kind of things.
Speaker 2: Not necessarily
nonchalant, like I just don't
give an F about anything.
Yeah, just picking and choosing
the things that you're going to
give attention to from an
intentional place, because you
want to, because your goal on
the daily is and everybody,
whether they realize it or not
our whole goal is to feel better
, feel good inside of ourselves.
That's the whole goal, and
every single one of these things
that we teach, all of these
concepts that we teach, are to
teach people to find their own
practices within their journey
that help them find little
snippets of feel better.
Speaker 1: Of feel good.
Speaker 2: And that's really the
thing is eventually get into a
place where you feel good all
the time yes and so picking and
choosing what emotional response
you're going to have to
something is still your choice
and ultimately gives you
ultimate control about every
single thing.
Yes, even down to whenever
something happens like a
hurricane.
You get to choose whether
you're going to look at it as a
destructive, disastrous,
horrible thing or if you're
going to choose to see it as a
spring cleaning of sorts of the
planet and how it's going to
bring people together, bring
about more love in the
collective consciousness and
give Mother Earth an opportunity
to clean up the dead branches,
clean up the stuff that is done
and move it on so that they can
make room for the new evolution
and the new growth.
I mean that's basically the
general motto of every single
living thing is out with the old
, so you can make room for the
new, and you've got to have that
whole circle of life.
This is what we do with
definitions, otherwise bring it
back the closet gets full of the
old and there's not any room
for the new and then you're on
your knees in your closet with
the door open.
Speaker 1: There's stone things
over your shoulder, like because
this, this is no good, this is
no good, this goes in the trash,
this don't fit anymore, right,
and so it's the same thing,
really, with definitions, to
bring it back.
That's pretty good, wasn't it?
Yeah, back all the way to
definition yeah, give yourself
an applause, yeah yeah, I did
that which it brings about.
Speaker 2: Another good topic of
.
Sometimes it's also beneficial
to look at the, because when you
create your reality, it's
mirroring back to you things
that you could look at and
improve if you wanted to evolve
yes, at verbiage, events,
circumstances, not as literal
things, but also exploring what
is the symbology.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: What is this
symbolically trying to show me?
And I don't know that we
practice that we take things
very literal, don't know that we
practice that we take things
very literal and so playing with
, uh, the symbology of it, for
example, I'll share my
mediumship.
The other day I had an
individual that had an
experience with the cardinals oh
yeah, remember that.
Speaker 1: yeah, and he was
sharing.
You know you made him cry,
right, and that's why he left.
He was crying, I didn't know
that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was sharing
a story about how he was coming
to work and walking in and this
three sum of cardinals started
attacking him.
Well, of course, some of you
may or may not know, I can see
and talk to dead people and they
will come to me if they need
help communicating to the human
aspect of other beings that
aren't quite as open and
receptive as I am to allowing
that non-physical energy in, to
allowing that non-physical
energy in to be the conduit,
verbally, of the information
they're trying to get across to
another physical individual that
has a physical body.
It's called mediumship or
channeling.
I mean, it has many names out
there.
Or I just say you know what I
see?
Dead people.
I talk to dead people.
I see dead people.
Speaker 1: I talk to dead people
, I see dead people and we all
know that the cardinal is the
messenger bird.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
You know, in the spiritual
belief system of Native
Americans, the cardinal is a
messenger Right and so, and I
always go into these situations
kind of tiptoeing, because I
never know what the kind of
where the humans are when I'm
gonna, when I have a dead person
interacting with me wanting me
to help them convey, so I always
tiptoe into it.
And he said I had this weirdest
thing happen to me this morning
.
These three cardinals were just
attacking me, dive, bombing me.
I don't even remember exactly
what the words were and I don't
understand why.
So then the next thing was well
, I think and I looked at James,
I was like I think cardinals
represent message, bringing a
message in.
So then we kind of went on that
talk bringing messages in.
Yeah, they represent messages,
like James just said.
And somewhere along the
conversation he was like I don't
know what the message is and I
was like somehow you see what
happened was.
Somehow I snuck in.
You know the whole well, maybe
it's somebody trying to
conversate with you.
Speaker 1: From the other side
From.
Speaker 2: you know, maybe it's
one of your other people that's
passed on, that's just bringing
you a message saying hey, I'm
here.
Speaker 1: Oh, here's the
tiptoeing going on Like a little
mouse in the night.
Speaker 2: Long story short.
I took him to a place of okay,
well, what's a symbology?
What did it mean to you?
What kind of feelings did it
bring about in you?
And I talked him through how to
recognize the symbology of the
cardinal, because at first we
started talking about, well,
maybe there's a nest by and
maybe they're protecting their
nest somewhere.
And he was like no, it was in a
weird place.
I don't see where they could
have had their nest.
They came off the roof.
Speaker 1: Why would there be
three of them?
Speaker 2: Why would there be
three?
Yeah, we had that whole
conversation, so then I bring it
back around to okay.
Well then, how did it make you
feel?
What did it symbolize to you?
And he brought up the fact that
he nephew.
Speaker 1: He said, well, maybe
it's my nephew bringing me a
message, who had recently passed
.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like
last month, and for for those of
you that can see and hear dead
people, you will know exactly
what I mean when I begin to
describe this.
It's like, yes, okay, he's
going in the direction, and then
then you hear the nephew be
very excited and cheering of
okay, yeah, here we go, he's
getting it, he's getting it,
he's getting it.
And, long story short, in
essence what he talked himself
through was the nephew was
bringing in the symbology of the
Cardinals, bringing in the
symbology of the Cardinals the
Cardinals represented a baseball
team that he once had of an
event that they shared together.
That was extremely important to
the nephew and obviously had
some importance to the uncle
because he brought up the memory
and remembered it, and so they
shared a moment via me, but
because of the symbology, not
because of the literal, and
sometimes had we stayed on the
literal of okay, well, maybe
these birds are protecting their
nest and there's a nest close
by and that's why they were dive
bombing.
If we had stayed in the literal,
we would have never gotten to
that place of him getting to
experience the amazing feeling
of connecting with his nephew in
the nonphysical world.
And so what I want you to leave
here today with is play with
the symbology of things.
How did that make you feel?
What symbolically could it be
representing to you, instead of
literally what it means.
Start exploring that.
Speaker 1: And the symbology
will lead you into the
directions of the definitions,
of why you know like his
definition completely changed.
He's always been curious about
the other side, so to speak, and
he's always had a belief in
ghosts.
Like he told me many ghost
stories when we've been eating
breakfast not that they're
really ghosts, but he, he's
always been kind of open and
receptive to it.
But when it hit him in that
literal sense like it, like you
just hit him with cause, you
really didn't even say that much
.
He kind of talked himself
through it all.
Speaker 2: He did and that's the
way I like to.
That's the way I like to do it
when I am doing mediumship.
I like to.
That's the way I like to do it
when I am doing mediumship.
I don't like to give them all
the answers.
I want them to utilize their
skills and abilities to find the
answers with me, coaching them
through how to do it.
That's how I do.
My whole practice is you don't
come to me for me to say okay,
well, here's the answer.
Go forth and do this and all
will change and be better.
I help you utilize the same
skills I have.
Everybody has these skills that
James and I have.
They just are not used to using
them and practicing them.
Speaker 1: Being aware of them.
Speaker 2: And being aware of
them.
Speaker 1: And that's because of
the definition, because the
definition they've been taught
of that is the only weird people
do that.
Speaker 2: Or only special
people can do that.
Speaker 1: That's why I got
called gifts.
Speaker 2: The spiritual
community started calling them
gifts because only the gifted
ones can do this, and that is
completely not true.
It is not, and so if you change
your definitions and give
yourself permission, we all come
with the same bag of tricks.
It's just whether we put
definitions in place that allows
to have beliefs to play with
all of our little bag of toys
and tricks that we brought with
us spiritually.
Speaker 1: And so to kind of
bring it all back together, when
we have a definition of
something that if it creates
uncomfortableness, stop and say
why, about it?
And figure out, if you can, if
you want to, and change that
definition and see how it
changes your perception of the
situation when it happens again.
Speaker 2: Right.
Make a choice to have no
definition.
Does this really need a
definition as well?
Don't forget that concept of it
as well.
Does this really need a
definition by me?
Is it really necessary for me
to even have an opinion of this
one way or the other?
And if not, then give yourself
permission to not really even
have an opinion or a definition
in place at all.
Speaker 1: Right, eventually, if
you need a definition, the
definition will happen.
Well, yeah.
Speaker 2: And as you practice
it, you'll get to a place where
you can say to yourself you know
what?
I don't really need a
definition.
This is not beneficial to me
along my trail, along my journey
.
I'm just going to file it in
the Universal Library.
I don't really need it.
Speaker 1: I hear the ladder
moving.
Now Don't put the book on the
shelf.
I have assistance for all of
that.
I don't do it.
I have assistance for all of
that.
I don't do it.
I just go turn it.
And I redefined a couple things
this morning when I was in the
shower.
I'm waiting for those
definitions to really hit home.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so they fall into
place in my little emotional
navigational system of my human
life, and that little transition
period for me is a little weird
sometimes.
Speaker 2: What do you mean by
weird?
Speaker 1: While the definition
changes.
Oh weird, define weird, you
mean like weird While the
definition changes.
Speaker 2: Oh, weird, define
weird, you mean like mentally
you're in a weird headspace, or
physically you've experienced
things that feel in your body,
like physical things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of
feels like a little blank void
for a minute, because,
ultimately, my goal is to go
through life and have my
experiences that are created by
myself, based on my own
definitions and my own emotional
navigational system.
Sometimes, when that little
void is missing, you're like
okay, so if this happens today,
what am I going to do?
Speaker 2: Oh my God panic.
I don't have anything in place
if this happens.
Speaker 1: Which is what you
just said.
Sometimes it's okay not to have
a definition, and I think
that's that transition period
from one definition to the next.
For me, when I change a
definition, that lull while my
little squirrels are running
around in my head removing the
files from one cabinet to the
next or dropping the new ball
down in the hole.
What was that show Inside Out?
Speaker 2: Yes.
That's kind of funny that I
imagined myself doing that, but
you've always talked about the
squirrels you're not one who
generally remembers parts of
movies, so it's kind of funny
that you remember parts of that
movie.
Speaker 1: I know right, I'm not
a movie buff.
I mean, I like to watch movies,
but I don't put them in my
rolodex of memories very often
yeah so I'm in that kind of
transition period and I just
have to say to myself it's okay,
it's, it'll sink in, it'll be
where it needs to be and it'll
become what it needs to become.
I just have to let it be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean and
that's definitely a good quick
topic to discuss as well as with
anything as you're expanding
and growing by way of changing
definitions and then beliefs, it
can bring about uncomfortable.
Uncomfortable is a very heavy
word, so I hesitate, but here we
are.
It can bring about feelings in
the physical body, in the
energetic body and in the mental
body that are that feel out of
sorts or feel uncomfortable
because it's not the norm
anymore.
You're moving away from that
norm and creating a new norm.
And so when you do that and
you're new at the practice of
doing it, or even when you're
not new and it's a really heavy,
deep-seated belief with lots of
definitions attached to it, it
can feel a little panicky, it
can feel a little anxiety.
And then also, when you get rid
of some heavy luggage, heavy
beliefs, and they finally do
release and turn loose, that can
make you physically feel dizzy.
It can bring about a dizzy
feeling within the physical body
.
So keep those things in mind
that if there's nothing
physically wrong with your body
and you're healthy and well, but
you're having a little moment
of dizziness, it could be that
whatever you were working on in
your belief systems, or even if
you're working on the energy
component of your body.
As that energy moves and
changes, it can bring on
physical symptoms, and so honor
that part of it as well.
If you need to do some extra
rest, or if you need to set a
minute and give yourself a
physical break, a mental break,
do those things.
Just keep listening to the body
.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Yeah, I like it a lot, and so
what it does for me is it makes
me stop and say I'm going to
redefine my world today and, one
step at a time, when I need to
and when something doesn't feel
good, I'm going to look at it
and say why and maybe change my
perspective on things.
When you change your
perspective, it creates a new
way of looking at things.
Yeah 100%, to put it in layman's
terms.
So how you define the world and
define the actions of the world
or the people around you in
your social network, in your
employment network, in whatever.
How you define each one of
those aspects, if you can change
them and fix them, if they're
antiquated, if you need to
change them, only change them if
you need to, based off your
emotional navigational system, I
think that you'll find that
when you look at it from a
different perspective, with a
new definition, it changes your
reality to a whole different way
, and then you become more
loving and caring and
understanding of others more as
well and of yourself and of
yourself, I agree yeah, that's
the key, um, I think, is, you
know, staying conscious and
aware of how are you defining
yourself and are you giving
yourself room to breathe and
grow and expand, or are you
putting a lot of pressure on
yourself and trying to carry the
weight of the world on your own
shoulders and not giving
yourself the freedom to be
something different?
Yes, I like it.
So I think are you good, you
feel complete in this one yeah.
You know, I hope that we create
in these podcasts your
abilities, everybody's abilities
that listens, to take the time
for a minute and redefine
realities one step at a time for
yourself for themselves, right
for themselves, you know.
Do where we bring in food for
thought yeah, and you know,
because we deal every single day
with a large social network of
people and they have different
personalities and they conflict
differently, and I hope that
those that listen to this can
stop for a moment and say why
does this bother me with this
other social being in the world,
and what can I do?
Because you can't change other
people's definitions.
Speaker 2: You can only change
your own Right.
And it's not just with other
beings, it's with concepts of
the world around us, it's with
every aspect, every single bit
of it.
What's going on in the world?
What event, why is it bugging
me and does it need to?
What event, why is it bugging
me and does it need to, and
doing it from a place of
self-satisfaction, not
them-satisfaction?
Speaker 1: Yep correct.
Speaker 2: That is a highly,
highly, highly important place
to do it, because if you are
changing definitions from a
place of satisfying the them of
the world, you're going to find
yourself right back to square
one.
you're going to bifurcate in the
wrong direction it is okay to
be a little selfish in this
process and change it for
yourself first, because that
then will create an individual
that is happy, whole and
vibrating at a higher frequency
and that will turn around and
change your actions and your
energy towards your outside
environment.
And the universe always says,
no matter what that frequency is
oh, this is your frequency.
Well, here have some more of
that.
And if you're putting out that
positive loving frequency,
because you're happy, whole and
feel amazing on the inside.
Then the universe says here
another spoonful of that.
Speaker 1: All right, I guess
we're going to close up.
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