If Sex Isn’t Love, What Is It For

SPEAKER_02: Good morning. Welcome back to the Spiritual Grind. SPEAKER_01: Good morning. SPEAKER_02: Season three, Episode Two. SPEAKER_01: Season three. SPEAKER_02: Episode two. Fifty-seven countries. SPEAKER_01: Welcoming in twenty twenty-six. SPEAKER_02: Yes, we are. The best year ever. SPEAKER_01: Adds up to ten. Which adds up to one. SPEAKER_02: That's right. It's the number one year. SPEAKER_01: Number one. SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna make a prediction. SPEAKER_01: Oh. Prediction. SPEAKER_02: The prediction is that everybody listening to this podcast hits extreme levels of financial gains in 2026. SPEAKER_01: That deserves an applause. SPEAKER_02: Oh no. Which one? Nope. Nope. There it is. That's a prediction. That's the intention for the spiritual grind for every and every listener. That hits a level of financial ability, financial gain, and a reality of new awesome levels. SPEAKER_01: Right on, man. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. Right on. Yeah. Anyway. Well, welcome back to Spiritual Grind, guys. And uh we're glad to be here with you, and we're glad that you tune in and listen. And uh we're we're manifesting reality as we speak because our early bird launch happens tomorrow morning. SPEAKER_01: Early bird for what? SPEAKER_02: For all the users and practitioners. And we're starting the merchant sign-up so they can we can get the list out to them and open the early bird to them probably mid-February. SPEAKER_01: On the Lucidium app? SPEAKER_02: On the Lucidium World app. SPEAKER_01: Okay. SPEAKER_02: Not Lucidium. Don't just do Lucidium, it's Lucidium World app. SPEAKER_00: Yes. SPEAKER_02: Because if you go look at Lucidium, you're gonna find a cybersecurity company. Which perhaps we should reach out to them and see if they want to be our cybersecurity company. SPEAKER_01: Maybe. Who knows? SPEAKER_02: Maybe. I don't know. SPEAKER_01: We'll see. SPEAKER_02: They might. It's because we share the name. SPEAKER_01: Or they could be unhappy that we have similar name. SPEAKER_02: Well, it is what it is. SPEAKER_01: Yep. SPEAKER_02: But anyway. So yeah, it's uh rolling out tomorrow for the users and practitioners, and we're giving huge discounts for those early bird people and a whole lot of things you're gonna get for being in the first 1,000 people to sign up as a user, or the first 250 practitioners to sign up. SPEAKER_01: Nice. SPEAKER_02: And so these and these commercials will start hitting tomorrow morning as well. SPEAKER_01: We're there. We're there. We're we have arrived. unknown: We have arrived. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's been a bit of a journey getting there. SPEAKER_02: And we're just starting. SPEAKER_01: It uh it's kind of surreal to be at the place where we're really actually ready to there's actually 19 with some marketing out there. SPEAKER_02: I know, right? There's 19 cottages in the actual app, and they're we're releasing seven of those cottages the first phase. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah. We've been doing lots of work to get all of that. SPEAKER_02: And we have the majority of it already. It's just gonna take you know, we're probably actually gonna end up releasing like two of them at a time. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: And just move forward going that way. But um, we have to have some kind of a plan in place. So we did. We created the plan. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: But we can always adjust that plan. SPEAKER_01: Right. SPEAKER_02: And that's fun. But anyway. SPEAKER_01: I think the biggest thing, the biggest takeaway for us is when we decided to put the apps into place. I don't think either you or I that day in the kitchen when you said, I think you're on to something, really understood the depth of creating and developing an app, especially one that is so big and juicy as ours. SPEAKER_03: Correct. SPEAKER_01: There are so many uh components in it for you know, the user and the practitioner and even the merchant till for the merchants. SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's a lot of going on for everybody. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's something for everybody in this. Um, you know, even if you're not a complete 100% devoted metaphysical person and living the lifestyle, it gives the other ones who are curious about it a platform to go and kind of explore and learn slowly or just uh be inquisitive in the privacy of their home without having to, you know, be curious. Cause I I I guess what I'm trying to say, and let me share a story to get to the point. When I first started this breadcrumb trail journey for myself, trying to find tools, techniques that education right, that resonated with me, I didn't know anything about it's almost like everybody was hiding it back then. It was just not outwardly publicized. SPEAKER_03: Right. SPEAKER_01: And I have always been a self-taught individual. Right. And what that means is that the world just looked different to me. And I thought that it looked the same for everybody, even as a child. You know, I've I've been living this way off and on since a small child. I've been this weird little woo-hoo child. SPEAKER_03: Right. SPEAKER_01: And it it's all been self-taught because my parental guardians did not embrace the concepts. Right. And so I was like the weird black sheep. And along my journey, I would run across people, for example, uh, I can remember the first time I was uh exposed to the crystals or stones. I had always, as a child, had rock friends. I was one of those kids that would be playing on the party ground and bring home little pebbles or little colorful stones or rocks because they wanted to come home with me. That's how I described it. And so, you know, in my bedroom, I always had all these rocks and stuff laying around. So it always resonated with me. And, you know, instead of bringing home frogs or toads or whatever, I brought home rocks. SPEAKER_03: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: As I got older, I began to be exposed to people who said, okay, well, this crystal actually has an essence of vibrational frequency. Those words were not used in the beginning, right? But I started being exposed to the crystal world. I'm getting to the point, I promise. So I started exploring, okay, well, how are these people finding these specific ones? SPEAKER_03: Right. SPEAKER_01: You know, like I can remember the purple one, the amethyst, because that's my birthstone. Right. And I was like, aside from going to the jeweler and buying a piece of jewelry, how are these people finding this chunk of amethyst? And that's when I discovered the metaphysical stores. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: When I first went into my very first metaphysical store as a teenager, I felt very uncomfortable and almost almost embarrassed to be in the Everybody's looking at you. Because I didn't, I didn't know what I didn't know. Right. And I went into this store and the lady was like, Hi, how can I help you? Very nice, but I didn't want to appear stupid or non-knowledgeable. And so I was trying to play it off, and I was like, Well, I'm trying to find a little amethyst stone, but I felt very uncomfortable. SPEAKER_03: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: Where I'm going with this is that the app affords the newcomer a place to do that in the privacy of their home and get themselves knowledgeable by being able to explore those different things. There's a whole crystal part of this gameplay and information, for example, that gives you some working knowledge so that you can go into that store and have some confidence about you. SPEAKER_03: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: And kind of check it out beforehand to see if it resonates with you. SPEAKER_03: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: In the privacy of your own home until you have the confidence of saying, uh, yeah, you know what? Crystals are resonating with me. Let me go buy one. Let me go check out a metaphysical store. But the also the other beautiful part of it is that if you're not wanting to physically go to a store and check it out, there's the merchant site where you can order it online. SPEAKER_02: Arcane and company. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Arcane and Company. Where you can order it on online and have it delivered to your doorstep if you're not one that likes to go out and do a lot of shopping. SPEAKER_03: Right. SPEAKER_01: So it gives you, it opens up the options and brings all these different modalities into one place so that people are not having to search and hunt and um piece together their daily ritual, which is what I can remember having to do is I would go go here trying to find this, go here trying to find this, word of mouth. And like you said, it's almost like they were still hiding or cloaked. SPEAKER_03: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: Which is not so much the case anymore, but they're still metaphysical metaphysical shops are still not highly saturated out in the world. Some towns have a lot, but there's some towns that don't need that we've been to that we can only find one or two. SPEAKER_03: Right. SPEAKER_01: Um, Daytona is one of them. SPEAKER_02: You know, there's only There used to be more, but they closed down. SPEAKER_01: Right. Here in the Daytona area, there's only two or three. Two or three in this area. If we want to actually have exposure to more, we've got to travel to another town. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. Like the I think the most I found in Florida were in Kissimmee. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: There's a bunch of them in that in that little area. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: But anyway, so uh yeah, so what she what what Dr. Jenny's trying to get at here is the fact that when we started in the metaphysical world, it was considered to be like weird and faux pas and taboo and everybody, you know. Like I remember my one of my uncles referring to um it was the girlfriend of one of my other uncles as a tree hugger. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: You know, because I grew up in that era and and for some reason it was like a little private club of people. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: And there wasn't nobody that wanted to be outed. And still to this day, it's still pretty private because I did some research on some things. Like, like one of the you know, the top twenty Google searches at home is home remedies or alternative health. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: And and uh the it's searched, it's like you can go y'all can go look it up. It's growing, and Google's uh projection is uh alternative lifestyle topics are going to quadruple before 2030. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's one uh one area of knowledge nuggets that are embedded into the app. SPEAKER_02: Right. Um and I want to clear something off, by the way. Clear something up. Is I have heard this from a couple of people, predominant people in the world, and I want to make sure everybody keeps this out of their ear because it's not true 100%. And like people have a tendency to judge people, like, for example, the people in the metaphysical world don't have money. SPEAKER_01: Right. SPEAKER_02: Or like it used to be the same thing with Harley, or they're all on drugs, right? That's another big one, yeah. Or and the same thing with Harley. Like when I first started riding Harley, everybody thought it was like it was a broke man's motorcycle, and it's the most expensive motorcycle on the market. And that they're all troublemakers, and they're all troublemakers, and and so those are just people stereotyping other people, which is wrong. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: And uh because I know we low, we know a lot of metaphysical people in our world that we've met over the years, and I have yet to meet one that's broke. SPEAKER_01: Well, and the irony of that is is is that and and the same thing happens in the uh eating world. Yeah. Vegetarians. Oh my god. But the the irony of it is is that society uses that, and I feel like price gouges. SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they do. Oh, totally. SPEAKER_01: Like the gluten-free and the vegetarian organic and all the other stuff. Organic products that are sold in the grocery stores are much more expensive than if you buy non-organic or uh non-gluten-free. SPEAKER_02: You know, and here's the gro I had a I had a farmer tell me one time about the GMOs. You know, and a lot of people don't understand this, and they don't because it needs to be classified differently. Because I had a very predominant farmer raise corn, wheat, a lot of things. And he said that the seeds have been around so long that getting actual true GMO stuff probably is not even possible anymore. SPEAKER_00: Really? SPEAKER_02: Because this for so many years they were altering these seeds so they would produce more and do more and and but now they don't you don't even know if you can even get non-GMO seeds. And uh so that was because that was actually one of the questions I made to the I don't want to put their name out there, but uh to the name of the people where you used to have a setup standoff. Yeah. I asked him one time because his product was so huge. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: But anyway, so uh now we've been 15 minutes into our ab and uh haven't haven't hit the topic of the day yet. SPEAKER_01: Ooh, do tell. SPEAKER_02: You do tell already? You know, in season one of our podcast, we put out a podcast about sex. SPEAKER_01: Oh yes, we did. SPEAKER_02: And in light of our conversation yesterday, I think it's it's a good time to maybe start talking about this subject and how people m totally or continue talking about it. Continue talking about it in the wrong way. SPEAKER_01: Yep, I agree. SPEAKER_02: And and so I'm gonna I'm gonna start this because this is kind of my my level of expertise because I have studied this subject a lot in my life. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, you definitely have, and I am one of many humans, females especially, that had that topic very twisted up, and you guided me through your teachings on that um to untangle and untwist that. Yes. And and I think yesterday was an epiphanal moment where I guess I kind of like graduated to the next level finally after years of trying to untangle and untwist everything. SPEAKER_02: So and so you know, the the sexual to the real side. Thanks. You know, back in the day they used to you know, uh tree huggers as they called them back in the day. Yeah, you know, they were all they were stereotyped as as uh like over sexual beings and like promiscuous, promiscuous and those kind of things. And and uh and I want to I want to talk about it because this is where I start this conversation at. Because first of all, well, first of all, I wanted to make sure that everybody understands two things. Sex is only for procreation and pleasure. 100%. Yeah, 100%. It's not used to manipulate somebody, it's not you're not there for you to be manipulated, and it is definitely not used for anything other than procreation and pleasure. Now, don't don't confuse it. Okay because we do have a sacral shake a sacral chakra that uh controls your sexual energy. And your sexual energy comes from the you know, basically your public air area, which is which is where that chakra is. But when you are labeling anything to do with that chakra, it inhibits it. And what I mean by labeling it, when you look at sex, and say say you're a female, well I'll use yours as a example. Sex is there, the energy is there, but it's also the most the biggest manifesting energy the human body has because it pre it they it creates life. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: It is the biggest energetic chakra in the body. And now, you know, what what happens is is when you label it with stuff like oh, if you if you you don't keep his you you don't keep him happy, he'll go cheat. So while you you you have to have sex with your husband, and you have to, you know, sex is for this and sex is for that, and if if I have sex with this and they'll buy me this, or you know, yeah, I can actually remember my grandmother having the air quote birds and bees conversation with me, and it consisted of this. SPEAKER_01: Her one statement was now that you're gonna be married, you have to remember to keep your man happy so he doesn't go rummaging around in other trash cans. SPEAKER_02: Right. SPEAKER_01: That was her statement. SPEAKER_02: And so this is what this does in a subconscious way is it teaches people that sex is a manipulatory property, or a chore for the female. That's right. And what happens now is say, for example, um you you date somebody, you you are living through a relationship with this person, and sex is what you control the relationship with. And then that relationship breaks up. Why is that? Because of this, is because the intention behind what you're using sex for is wrong, and your your positive mindset of your own self degrades and it turns into you that. Your happiness revolves around the sexual energy. SPEAKER_01: Well, and I think for me, may I? SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you may. SPEAKER_01: Just to talk about my own journey, because it's been a very many-year journey. Um, I think for me, what happened by just that one statement alone, I created a whole belief blueprint around that, that as a wife, one of my wifely duties is to keep my male person satisfied in the sexual area as a chore, and there was no room for me to define it as pleasurable or give it any other definition. SPEAKER_03: Right. SPEAKER_01: It was just a chore, it was no different than doing the laundry or doing the dishes or raising the kids, and so it kept it in that box, and then what I did was I morphed it. No, I morphed it into okay, then sex equals love. SPEAKER_02: Yep. That's uh that is definitely the biggest. SPEAKER_01: I do the dishes because I love him, right? I take care of his children because I love him. I allow him to use my sexual organ because I love him. I mean, that all got tangled up and equated to my definition at a very early age of what love defined as. SPEAKER_02: Because humans have a tendency, like you're you used it as a way to control your relationship. And on the other side of that is you have some people that use it to stabilize their self-worth. Yeah, the only way they can be happy with themselves is if they're out having sex randomly or whatever, because it to the to them it reinforces their own self-worth. SPEAKER_00: I see. SPEAKER_02: And so that's where you see many people, especially in men. This is the biggest thing in men is a man's self-worth is in his conquering energy, which comes from the sacral chakra. And for him, married or not, it becomes from conquering that journey because it gives them self-worth. And because they're looking at sex in the wrong way as well. SPEAKER_00: I see. SPEAKER_02: Because their their sexual chakra chakra pushes that uh dominant area to where they are a caveman, you know, they're they're procreating, they're making their their uh race continue on stronger. SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. SPEAKER_02: And so it becomes, and this is this is the way this was all taught for many, many years. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: You know, and then then let's let's throw in another monkey wrench in the thought. Uh let's talk about porn. It's a big topic. It's a big topic, and women get mad at men that watch porn, but men don't get mad when women watch porn. Why do you think that is? SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure. SPEAKER_02: It's insecurity because they have switched flipped the switch on their reality is controlled by sex instead of their self-worth. And so when they see a man that looks at porn, she values it as, oh, he's looking at this instead of me, and he's looking at that because of me. SPEAKER_01: Absolutely. SPEAKER_02: And so the value that they have on themselves has nothing to do with that porn, it has everything to do with how they view its sex. unknown: Right. SPEAKER_02: And how they how their energy is transmuted into their body, and it turns into jealousy and fights and everything else. And it's the same thing with cheating. The reason why women have a tendency to worry about men cheating is because they have the belief and they create the energy within the relationship, uh-huh. Is they have the belief that sex is what controls their happiness because of that belief. When sex is for procreation and pleasure, it's not for control nor for anything else. Now, on the other side of that is the men. Why do they not get bothered by a woman? And you know, that there are a few out there that get bothered, don't get me wrong, by their relationship or, you know, man, woman, whatever, I don't care what whether what your sex is, but there are certain energies within the human body that people have, and they they do, it doesn't matter if you're non-binary, if you're male, female, it doesn't matter. You have an energy within you, and one of them is a either procreation or conquer. That's why you'll see you'll see people stereotype other people just by who they look or how they act. And so when a man sees a woman watching porn or anybody that doesn't get bothered by porn, then they have a conquering energy. And what you'll find is is most of the time they go out and use those sexual, that sexual energy to define their own self-worth as well. And in the back of their mind, they create stories behind it. And so I I know you're you're looking at me a little puzzled right now, and bear with me, I'll get there. unknown: Okay. SPEAKER_02: But you know, when they're when the woman is looking at the man watching porn and gets bothered by it, is it's a lack of security. It's insecurity, is what it is. SPEAKER_01: On her part. SPEAKER_02: On her part. And anybody, I'm gonna say any sexual, any, any uh sexual orientation doesn't matter. If you get jealous by somebody watching watching something on TV that's intangible, cannot be touched. All it is is watching it. If you get insecure about it, then you're viewing it your sexual energy wrong. Because the reality is if your self-worth was high enough and that person is engaged in pornography, it wouldn't bother you at all. Because all it is is a television or a phone or whatever it is that they're watching. And all they're doing is building their own energy. And what do they do with that energy? They conquer with it. Make sense? So so when when you come to a spot like that, no matter if you're a conquering energy or that or the uh energy that becomes insecure, those energies both. One that that is uh engaging in porn has has a misconception of their own energy, and the person that is getting jealous or bothered by their porn has a misconception of their own energy. Both of those are a misunderstanding of their own sexual energies. It has nothing to do with their relationship, has nothing to do with how they get along with everybody else, or if they're gonna go out and cheat. It does not say any of that. SPEAKER_01: Okay. SPEAKER_02: That's where a lot of this goes in the wrong direction. You look you look a little puzzled. SPEAKER_01: Nope. This is just a topic that we're gonna agree to disagree on. SPEAKER_02: Uh-oh. This is my what? What do you mean? SPEAKER_01: Well, because there's there's more than just the energy body, there's the physical body, and I know chemically uh there's certain chemistry that happens within the body, and if that chemistry circuit is activated through visions of other males or females, whatever your preference is, on a video platform called porn, and you're not utilizing your partner to also stimulate that chemical circuit, then your chemistry can be sometimes confused and only activated through the pornography place and not necessarily through the partner place. And so there can be a little trip up place there if you're not careful. You have to practice the concept in both directions in order to teach the chemistry component in the physical body to to activate appropriately. And so we will agree to disagree because I know the physical body. SPEAKER_02: You're not wrong, but the next level of this conversation comes to belief. Okay, it has nothing to do with with uh how people view what's going on. And so let's talk about it for a moment. SPEAKER_03: Okay. SPEAKER_02: So if you believe that your your security in life comes from how well you keep your man pleasured in the bedroom, then you're attaching a whole lot of other stuff to it. Now with that is the feminine energy in the relationship is the one that actually controls the sexual energy in the relationship, and I'm gonna explain it how because the uh masculine energy in that in the relationship or the dominant energy in the relationship has a tendency to control their own energy, the the feminine energy has the has the uh tendency to control the energy with themselves because of a belief that uh they are who they are because of what they've done. Both sides of that. And when the belief is misconstrued into that you have to have uh an interaction with anybody to have your own sexual energy within your own sacral chakra is a misbelief. You're born with that energy that does not change if you believe that your sexual energy is there for manifestation, procreation, and pleasure, and it doesn't matter it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter if you have that belief. If you don't have the belief, then you're gonna think and your humans gonna make stories behind the pornographic or whatever is being experienced. And so you you and it projects a story. Like we've been having this conversation for many years. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: And there's been one story after another that we work through. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: This is just another story. Because your energy is your energy, and my energy is my energy. We choose through our own beliefs to intermingle those energies, not to take it wrong in there any wrong way because you however you use your energy is your is uh your whole you use your energy is your choice. SPEAKER_00: Right, right. SPEAKER_02: And how you believe is not what you do on the other, what you can do to your partner. You can't project the belief on anybody. SPEAKER_01: No. I agree. SPEAKER_02: And so when you when they because this is the this is a huge topic in this in this industry, in this area, for a lot of people to misunderstand. And when you're trying to project, because you believe that whatever is going on, if that guy is like you, I'll give you your example, like you just said. That if if they don't use their energy in the right with the right intention in the right direction, then then it's not going to create good energy within the couple. SPEAKER_01: No, that's not exactly what I said. I was going based on the scientific information to bring in all the science people, that there is an actual scientific chemistry that does happen. And if you're not activating that same chemistry circuit with other ways aside from porn, then porn becomes your only outlet of being able to activate that circuit, then that's where a problem can arise. That's what I was saying. SPEAKER_03: Yes. SPEAKER_01: That doesn't have anything to do with a belief system. I don't have a problem with porn. I just know that in activating the chemistry part of the physical body, that if you're not careful, it can it can happen that way. SPEAKER_02: Well, I and and this is where uh the ascended uh energy of uh, you know, the people that have learned to manipulate their energy within this the sacral chakra to a to a elevated uh uh spot, then those kind of things do not really matter because that's one thing science can't take into perspective is what do they believe inside of them. And what you know, what is you know, like I was taught at a very young age, if you masturbate and you watch porn, then you're gonna grow green hair in the palm of your hand and the thing's gonna fall off. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: I was taught, I was actually told that that exact words grind or pee the bitch. Yeah, you know, there's all sorts of fo-paws out there. SPEAKER_01: Exactly. SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, especially at a young age, I was because I I because I'll put it out there, I was molested as a young age. And it and it caused me to mature at a very young age compared to uh other people when it comes to sexual energy. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: And and so I spent a whole lot of time putting a lot of study and practice in controlling that energy and what to do with that energy and how it works, and and and the the real part about all of it is it has nothing to do with projected beliefs. I don't it doesn't matter what science says to me because I I have put a lot of work. SPEAKER_01: That's why I said this will be an area that you and I agree to disagree in. SPEAKER_02: But even then, that even if they scientifically, if you were to take so we're gonna use this scenario. We're gonna take a gay man, put him in front of a heterosexual porn, and if it was scientifically proven, would that person be? Would that person get arrest? On just on what you said there because there's a chemical process that happens. SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, it's possible because there is a male and a female, which is a buffet of both genders, no matter what your gender is. You're right. And if the point of watching porn is to achieve arousal or pleasure, and there's both genders there, then yeah, any gender could watch that porn and focus on one gender or the other, okay, and have uh that chemical mechanism activate and create arousal. Absolutely, it's possible. SPEAKER_02: Okay. I would agree. But now let's put it in a different perspective. SPEAKER_01: Okay. SPEAKER_02: If if that person had never had sex, okay, is he gonna be aroused? SPEAKER_01: It's possible. If you It is possible. SPEAKER_02: I mean, we can we can talk possibilities, but you were talking scientifically. SPEAKER_01: I can't I don't have that person in front of me to study them and give you a for sure uh thing. That's what science is. What are the possibilities? SPEAKER_02: So if they were so if they were a monk, if there's a chemical reaction that happens in the body no matter what, and if they're a monk, are they going to be aroused? SPEAKER_01: Again, it's possible. SPEAKER_02: It is possible. I agree. If they had a belief I don't know where you're going with it. What what what I'm saying is is those in those uh chemicals in your body are not released unless you believe that that's what you're viewing or uh participating in or whatever is is a belief that you want to enjoy or you want to pleasure or procreate in. SPEAKER_01: I understand what you're saying about. So the belief behind it, so the the chemical reaction to allow yourself to enjoy it or to find pleasure in it or have a purpose for it, right? Purpose in it to activate that physical response within the body. I agree with that. SPEAKER_02: I I agree. SPEAKER_01: Like I said, this is just an area that you and I will agree to disagree on. For some people, it can it it can go that direction. I I'm just saying it is possible. SPEAKER_02: My personal belief in all of this is that first of all, energy is asexual. There is no sexual. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's the part I want to talk about when you're done with the sex, the physical sex part of it. SPEAKER_02: Yes, and so the whole the whole point of this is step one of this is understanding that that sex is not about control, manipulation, labeling, you know, whatever it is that you want to use it for, because it is really there to procreate, manifest, and pleasure. That is it. That's the only thing sex is used for. If anybody is using it for anybody else, for anything else, or if you're using, if you are fulfilling belief systems in your body with sex, then you're using it in the wrong way. You're using it completely. And if you're so if you're not procreating, if you're not making babies anymore, making more little humans on this earth, then procreation is out of the out of the picture. SPEAKER_01: Not necessarily. SPEAKER_02: And well, wait a minute, wait a minute. And what you do is is you turn that into a manifestation energy. And we start using instead of having divided energy, which we can continue to grow and build, now it makes it easier, like you just said it yesterday. You said it out loud, that that I'm not having babies anymore. And so, and but now I I feel different about this energy. SPEAKER_01: I did say it, but not quite like that. SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, in a way. I'll let you I'll let you put it in there. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, when you're ready. SPEAKER_02: But anyway, so the first stage of this conversation, I think, is for anybody to have is uh to make those determinations in your life is are you using sex to manipulate or anybody are using sex to manipulate yourself? SPEAKER_01: And well, yeah, I mean I think the I think the deeper conversation is to realize that physical sex is not the only thing that energy is used for. SPEAKER_02: 100%. SPEAKER_01: That's what the uh undergraduate learning I've accomplished in this journey with you has come to for me on clarity, is that just because we call it sexual energy doesn't mean, and because those chakras, uh the sacral and the root both play part in that energy, happen to be found in the um sexual region of the body, it all got twisted up and And and now we think that sexual energy is just about the act of having sex and achieving an orgasmic experience. SPEAKER_02: Or making babies, right. SPEAKER_01: And making babies. But what I want to teach and what I've learned with your training is that birth is not just about birth of a human being. Birth can be uh transcending oneself, birthing oneself into another state of being. It can be a project, a creative project you're working on. Uh, it can be life-changing. That's what I want clarity for everybody on is that that sexual energy can be re diverted and be being used in creative aspects of pleasure and procreation. Agreed, birthing a new project, using that energy to create music, to write books, to create paintings, whatever the manifesting are, that is still that same sexual energy. And sometimes what can happen is you have no desire to have physical sex because that energy is being utilized in creating other things momentarily. So it doesn't mean that you're sexually broken, right? It just means that you're using that energy to heal oneself or to create your um musical masterpiece or to whatever you choose to use that energy on. Right. And the root chakra plays a part along with the sacral chakra. I actually wrote an article I'll be putting in my rabbit hole to the edge and back with Dr. Jenny, uh, about this concept because the root chakra is like you said, it's that primordial energy of building it and getting it rooted and creating the foundation of whatever it is that you're creating, be it an actual child in the womb or a novel that you're writing. And so that energy lives in the root chakra. And then whenever it's ready to meet the world, that energy moves up to the sacral chakra, which is about um expressing it to the world, and it will go back and forth between those two chakras, but it doesn't necessarily only hold the one definition of physical sex with another individual. SPEAKER_02: Agreed. SPEAKER_01: It has different faces, it has different definitions, and so if your only definition with sexual energy is the act of having sex with another being, then it's time to upgrade your definition. 100% it's time to modify that definition because there's a lot of people I can only speak about the female population, right? Because I am a heterosexual female. And I can and I can tell you that in my journey, I had it only defined as that one thing. SPEAKER_03: Right. SPEAKER_01: I my sexual energy means I'm aroused, I am wanting to have sex with my male partner, whatever, husband, whatever that is. SPEAKER_02: That's me. SPEAKER_01: And when I came across times in my life where I was not interested in having sex with my partner, I thought I was broken. I thought I wasn't working right. I then went down this rabbit hole of, oh my God, my chakras are clogged up, my chakras aren't functioning, what is wrong with me? I, you know, um something physically is not right with me. SPEAKER_02: Is broken. SPEAKER_01: Right. But at the same time, what I would notice is that if you and I were engaged in some intimate component, even though my mind wasn't saying, oh, this is potentially a sex-arousing act, my physical body would respond with, I'm gonna say the word so that everybody can be like, ooh, moisteness in my genital region. I know that my physical body is acting appropriately and that it's not broken. It's just that I was using that energy in other areas of my life. I had already had all the children I was gonna have. And so procreation was off the table for me. SPEAKER_03: Right. SPEAKER_01: I wasn't, I my only definition for procreation was having babies. SPEAKER_03: Right. SPEAKER_01: Well, I knew that I wasn't gonna have any more babies. That warehouse has been boarded up for years, like that's over and done with. I didn't put together procreation having an alternate definition of birthing a new me, even when I am transcending a whole like belief blueprint, that's a rebirth. SPEAKER_03: Right. SPEAKER_01: Or even if I'm ill and I'm healing myself, that's essentially a rebirth. Or if I am sitting down and and giving birth to uh a new book, that is a that's that's a birth. SPEAKER_02: That's a procreation, right? SPEAKER_01: It's a type of procreation. Well, I had not put all those together, right? All I thought was okay, pre procreation make means making babies. SPEAKER_03: Right. SPEAKER_01: And right now, in this time of my life, whatever time it was, there were times where I was not interested in having sex, and I thought, oh my god, the sky is falling. My husband is gonna leave me, like he's actually had this conversation started, by the way. Right, we've had these conversations, and I would go to him, but this is how long it's been going to be so, and I would be so scared and I would be so fearful, and I'm like, And I'm such a wonderful husband, I have no desire to have sex, I'm broken. What's wrong with me? My chakras must be jammed up, I'm gummed up, I'm not working. And over the years of just working through it layer by layer and having a very understanding partner in it, uh, who allowed me the uh platform to learn at my pace layer by layer. This is where I've come to is without parameters. SPEAKER_02: That's the key to that. SPEAKER_01: Right. No conditions, no conditions, no parameters. You know, he didn't come back to the stuff. SPEAKER_02: It's not forced, it's not your job to take care of me. SPEAKER_01: Right. And that was that was a big thing, is um, you know, giving me the platform of all those conditional strings had been cut and there was no consequence. There was none of that. Well, if you're not gonna have sex with me, then I'll just go find somebody who will. None of that digging, none of that dumb bullshit that goes on in relationships. SPEAKER_00: Nope. SPEAKER_01: Or or doing stupid things like if you're not having sex at home, where are you getting it from? Let me go to the titty bar to satisfy my needs. So don't get me wrong. SPEAKER_02: There was a time in my life I like titty bars. SPEAKER_01: Well, well, you know what I mean. SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't play. SPEAKER_01: Going behind the back of your partner to titty bars or whatever, because that's not beneficial or helpful. Right. And so, you know, you being able to give me the space of relieving all of those definitions and parameters around it so that I could get grow and heal and layer, that's where I've come to is that that sexual energy has got to have more than one definition, right? So that you can really understand sexual energy, why it got called sexual energy instead of uh, you know, I don't know, rainbow energy. Um, because it kind of confused people, especially with those chakras being in the genital region, people got it all confused and twisted up. SPEAKER_02: I think the biggest part of it that causes confusion, and this is the one part of this that I want everybody to take away from it. If you have sex in your vocabulary as a point of caring, then you're you've got it totally unwronged uh misdefined. Because like for example, I used to when I had this in the last couple that I counseled. Oh, if if I have to go take care of my man otherwise I you know, he don't think I love him, or or he's gonna go somewhere else, or like I had the the one couple the the couple in Arkansas we talked to. SPEAKER_01: That's plenty of information. Just move on. SPEAKER_02: They don't want to be and you know, and and they were and he would say, if I don't go take care of my husband, then then he's gonna then then he's gonna find it somewhere else, or or I'm he's not gonna be happy with me. Or but so if you start use putting sexual energy in into a definition that has the word care in it, then you've got it de un you've got it defined wrong. SPEAKER_01: Oh, I see, by saying if I don't go take care of it's not anybody else's job to take care of anybody else other than themselves. SPEAKER_02: And what you'll find is if you can take the word care out of sex anywhere, that you'll you'll you'll find a whole different level of intimacy that you've never had before. SPEAKER_01: Right, I agree. And it is a whole different world because when you when you start categorizing it in these defined ways, it puts it inside of a box that doesn't let it have the freedom or the growths, and it can interrupt even your creativity in other areas. SPEAKER_02: Yeah, totally. 100%. And and not to mention it, the the emotional distress behind using sex as a caring word. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because then what it does is it puts you in the fear template. SPEAKER_02: Right. And then so what happens if if uh you're uh you go to meet your partner because you haven't taken care of your partner in a few days, they're gonna be unhappy. And now what happens if you go to that partner and that partner says, I'm not going to tonight? What does it do to that person? SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna what? SPEAKER_02: Like, say for example, you came to you say you said to yourself to a friend of yours, I gotta go take care of my man tonight because I haven't taken care of him in three or four days. Okay now what happens if you come to me and I'm like, hmm, I'm kinda tired. SPEAKER_01: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: What does that do to you? SPEAKER_01: Right. Exactly. SPEAKER_02: Because you're already thinking I'm not taking care of my man. SPEAKER_01: Right. And I bring that energy with me. SPEAKER_02: Right. SPEAKER_01: And I am living. Then I've created a reality where he's gonna say no because I'm bringing that energy with me. SPEAKER_02: Yep. SPEAKER_01: But then what that does is that opens up that monkey mind. SPEAKER_02: All sorts of levels of monkey mind. SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah. Oh my panic. So he already is the panic comes in. SPEAKER_03: Right. SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, he doesn't want sex from me. I'm ugly, I'm fat. Oh my god. Right. He's already found somebody else. Right. News flash, red flags. Oh my god, who is she? She must look better than me. She's skinnier than me. What color hair does she have? Oh man. Oh my god, she's got blonde hair. I need to make an appointment with the hairstylist and dye my hair. Oh my god, I've got to have oh, I'm not, I'm chubby around the muffin top. I gotta change my exercise regimen. Let me call my physical trainer and we gotta start focusing on muffin top. Like it's serious shit. SPEAKER_02: And this is all stuff that you and I have actually worked through. Yeah, what you're saying is stuff that you and I have worked together, worked, worked through together. SPEAKER_01: I'm too short. Let me get some platform. SPEAKER_02: Like I remember the blonde thing. I've never liked blondes, and and I don't remember what I was or something. You said, Do I need to go color my hair blonde? I'm like, what? SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I was creating this whole thing of like you're like, why do you keep studying blonde females? Are you wishing are you wishing that you made a different choice and you want me to color my freaking hair? Because I have done the blonde thing and have pictures of being blonde. SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you were kind of sandy blonde. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, the highlight thing. Yeah, and I'm like, great. I I'm like, he's he's into blondes. And never, and he settled with me. He settled. Oh, that's a little monkey mind. Now I'm gonna have to decide do I go and color my hair blonde and you know, oh my god, my butt doesn't look like hers. Do I get butt implants? Do I buy the shorts with the butt implants? SPEAKER_02: I don't even like butts. Butts are no big deal to me. SPEAKER_01: No, I'm just saying that's where your monkey mind can go with that shit. SPEAKER_02: That's when you label or you put the word care in the word sexual energy, in sexual energy. Right. You because it's not about that. Because the true level, the the true goal that everybody should have about sex is the ultimate level, and that is a sexual intimacy with themselves. That's the ultimate goal. SPEAKER_01: Well, the ultimate goal is is remembering that it's not just about physical pleasure of the body. SPEAKER_02: Agreed. That's the ultimate goal. SPEAKER_01: Sexual energy has different meanings and is used in different ways. That's the ultimate thing I want to get out there for people. SPEAKER_02: No, I totally agree. And it's and and at that level that you're talking about, you 100% agree. But ultimately, is the the ultimate sexual intimate relationship with yourself. That's not about caring. It's just having that intimate sexual energy relationship with yourself. SPEAKER_01: But I think before you can do that, is you've got to understand the different levels of it of that of that combination of words and the definition. SPEAKER_02: Do you remember with you? I don't know if y'all listen to the podcast, you may remember there was a show that was on HBO many years ago called Real Sex. And they had one episode. You and I watched it one time, and you remember when we were on the truck, we were in the motel, and it came up on the TV, and I we sat and watched it. Do you remember the guy that was creating orgasmic experiences with his hand? SPEAKER_01: No, I don't remember. SPEAKER_02: Oh well, because at that point in my life, I probably still was like something like levels of like man, there that that's gotta be fake or something. Yeah. And it really what it is is those people that study his program, um, which I which I've read the whole program, there it's kind of it's kind of a to me, it's kind of weekly written. It's not it's not very defined. And the I think the thing that a lot of people need to understand in that when they get to that kind of intimate true sexual relationship with yourself, the sex, first of all, the human sex you have with somebody else, whole different plane level. It's a whole different level. And the ability to control that energy when you plane to your crown chakra. Once you get to that level, you can control your sacral, your manifestation, your sexual energy with your crown. That's what they did on that video that day. And that's the ultimate area that that I believe spirit wants everybody to be in because we are an asexual energy. That's what they mean by that is we are asexual, not because we have to have somebody else's energy to have our own sexual or manifestation energy. That's what sex is about, what they call the sexual energy, which is technically sacral's sacral energy and grounded and uh uh uh whatever the last one is root chakra. And once you learn to control it with your crown chakra, then the true ultimate ability to have intimate, true energy with yourself, it makes the relationship the other direction or with anybody else you have it with, they're you're they'll they'll never stop hunting you. It will it creates a energetic exchange that is unmatched. SPEAKER_01: That sounds a little oogy. I don't know that I want to be hunted down. SPEAKER_02: But anyway, so like like yikes. Now this is that's a whole lot more to talk about, but we're we're we're i we got a whole lot. This is a big topic, it's a big subject, and it's something I studied a whole lot and in my life because of being molested and trying to understand what was happening to me at a young age when I had nobody teaching me anything. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: And so I just went to look like I used to I I used to go to the library to get books for school. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: And I would go in the corner in the back and read the books about it. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: I would hide it because I would get in trouble because we weren't supposed to be gretting, you know, I was young. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. You couldn't check 'em out. Couldn't check 'em. Yeah, right, right. SPEAKER_02: And so I would literally have books and magazines at the tables in the back and I would read them and I would cover it up when anybody came around. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: And I'd sit and read it all, and I learned a whole lot. And then I, you know, and I have a um uh a friend of mine that I had talked to many years ago that, you know, told me some things that changed my studies in the direction of this. Uh-huh. And it is the truth, is the true intimate sexual energy is when you have an intimate relationship with yourself without uh without having to have chores or care. SPEAKER_01: Oh, I agree a hundred percent. I mean, that's what we teach is is that any energy uh is a relationship with yourself first. Yeah, that's how you everything is become a whole, complete, healthy individual. Because if you're not whole, healthy, and complete within yourself, and how can you be that with anybody else? SPEAKER_02: I think it was such a ch a challenge topic for you, is because you spent so many years trying to study it and figure it out that you just created more layers of onion. SPEAKER_01: I did. I entangled it even worse than it already was. But like I said, you know, I had a pretty convoluted example. Like first coming out of the out of the shoot, that's the first bit of wisdom I was given by my grandmother was, you know, keep him happy in the bed and keep his belly happy, and your marriage will go a long way. SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's so stupid. And then um my parental guardian advice was, you know, one parent divorce your husband and I'm sorry, I'm I shouldn't be putting that there because your kids didn't listen to this. SPEAKER_01: One parent wouldn't talk about it at all. Yeah. And the other parent was uh along the lines of if he can't. He's two pump chump in the bedroom, then the marriage is not gonna last. Essentially, was the advice that was given by the other parent. SPEAKER_02: I'm a three-pump. SPEAKER_01: And that's that's pretty much the only advice. And so everything else was learned through the realm of hard knocks. So then you go to school and you get your first boyfriend, and he feeds you full of the nonsense of oh, if you do this thing, I'll love you forever. Well, guess what happened? It got tangled in there as a belief that okay, this act represents a form of love. Right. You know, when you're going into your first like real relationship, only to find out that he gets what he wants, and after a few months he changes you like a pair of socks and moves on. And and so yeah, then it just kind of got worse from there. SPEAKER_02: But anyway, so this is this uh we this whole entire topic has been one that Jenny and I have been working together for 10 plus years. SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah. It's been a long process for me. I had to untangle a lot, a lot of layers. SPEAKER_02: And this is I this is one topic in the metaphysical world I would I would consider myself an expert in. And because it is a very tangled web, and the first thing you get to stop with is your start with is your beliefs. Yeah. And there's many things behind it that people just misconstrue. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely. SPEAKER_02: And I hope that if they take anything away from there today is to remove the word care from and sex does not equal love. Sex does not equal love. That is correct. SPEAKER_01: Absolutely. You've been telling me that for years, and I'm like, nope, I don't agree with it. Not buying that for not one even half a penny. That's right. Not buying it, not buying it, not buying it. Yeah, I rejected that for years, years, years. I'm like, nope. SPEAKER_02: There was, you know, what there it was crazy because when I did mature later on in life, when I was in high school, when I matured more, and there was a neighbor of mine that was, you know, they were tree huggers. 100%. You know, they had this big property that they lived on, and she would walk around pretty much in a sundress all the time, completely naked. He would walk around just in his shorts all the time after when they weren't at work, and they were very sexually free. And I said to them one day, like, what does it mean that you guys can walk around like this and be free? And they both said almost simultaneously said, their sexual adventures are not my love. So that's what made me search that. What made me look at that because see they obviously loved one another. But they didn't stereotypically hide or uh index each other's sexual adventures as something that's like an encyclopedia or love, either way. Or yeah, I really love one another whether they have sex or they don't. And then they said a word to me or they she said he said they had been married 40 years. They didn't had sex in over 20. And they still walk around dancing and free and and and they truly loved one another. SPEAKER_01: Yeah. And and you know, that's where and for a lot of people, very high percentage, that is gonna be an unfathomable statement that you just said. There's gonna be a lot of people that can't even fathom what you're doing. I was one of those people. SPEAKER_02: Oh, I know. And the crazy part about it is is because it's kind of like when you tell your man or or your or your or woman or whatever it is, whatever sexual orientation they are, if you say it's okay to go out and cheat. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead, go have fun. SPEAKER_01: If you have fun, then it's not really cheating though. SPEAKER_02: But right, that's exactly what I'm saying. Is if yeah, go ahead, sleep with anybody you want, just love me when you come home. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: If you are intimate enough with yourself that you your sexual energy is where it needs to be, your your self-worth is where it needs to be. Uh-huh. And you can look at your partner and say, Oh man, go have fun. Go I don't care. Sleep with somebody, I don't care, it doesn't matter. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: As long as you come home and love me. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: It will change your perspective because that other person will be like, you know, it takes it off it takes the conquering energy out of it. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: That's where that happens. SPEAKER_00: I see. SPEAKER_02: Because now they have nothing to conquer. Because now they can go home and not have to conquer nothing. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: The only thing they have to conquer is in their own mind of why did that just say to me? SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: Do you understand? Now do you understand the play behind it? But anyway. SPEAKER_00: Right, right. SPEAKER_02: But anyway, I guess we're we're gonna have a long podcast to edit if we don't turn this into a couple of a couple of uh uh podcasts. SPEAKER_01: A couple of sessions. SPEAKER_02: A couple of sessions. Anyway, so that's where it is. Remember, sex does not equal love. Sex is for procreation and pleasure. And step one of all of this, no matter what you look at, is take the word care out of sex. SPEAKER_01: Pun intended. SPEAKER_02: Then that's a different world. If you're doing it for the right reasons. But anyway, uh, we appreciate y'all. Yeah. Uh I feel pretty complete today. This is a this is a deep, this is a what do you always say, a meaty one. SPEAKER_01: This is a meaty one. SPEAKER_02: This is a meaty topic, and we can turn it into it. We'll do a couple more. SPEAKER_01: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: Um, and I'll I'll actually kind of put a little structure to it. SPEAKER_01: All right, all right. SPEAKER_02: I did have that all structured at one time. I don't know. It may be in my other laptop. But anyway. Anyway, uh, thank you all for listening. Uh don't forget to like, follow, share. Go follow Lucidiumworld.com. That's L-U-C L-U-C-I-D-I-U-M-U-R-L-D.com. And uh uh, you know, subscribe to that so you'll know when the app comes out. Also, www.themercenters.org. Y'all have heard it, probably don't need me to tell you anymore. And uh like, follow, share. 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