You’re Not a Fraud. You’re Learning in Public.

SPEAKER_01: Good morning, everybody. Welcome back to the Spiritual Grind. SPEAKER_02: Good morning. SPEAKER_01: How are you today, my love? SPEAKER_02: I am freezing my tit bags off. SPEAKER_01: Tit bags? SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know. They become kind of baggy. SPEAKER_01: The over-the-shoulder boulders? SPEAKER_02: Yeah. I uh am getting close to being a size banana instead of a size melon. SPEAKER_01: What just happened? Are you trying to say you need some tube socks? SPEAKER_02: I am trying to say I'm gonna have to wear two sets instead of just one. That would be four. SPEAKER_01: Oh my. I've never heard you refer to yourself like that. That's kind of funny. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. I may need to uh do a GoFundMe page for my uh next augmentation. Yeah. My body work. I need to go into the shop. SPEAKER_01: You need to you need a a body shop, a good body shop. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. I need to get some modifications done. SPEAKER_01: Okay. SPEAKER_02: In the facial area and you know, a lifestyle lift. SPEAKER_01: When you're in there, can you like have this remove my my roundness in the front? SPEAKER_02: You'll have to join me, but yes, they can do that. Okay. They can shave a little off. SPEAKER_01: Can they make these a little my backs a little higher too? Absolutely. Man, because I'm sore from doing that little workout thing. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: And then yesterday, that was a lot of work. Yeah, yesterday we spring cleaning, cleaning day. SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we dug deep inside and got rid of the clutter, literally. SPEAKER_01: Literally. It was all day. SPEAKER_02: I always find that. So the day before I did that spiritually, I worked on a bunch of deep-seated beliefs that were ready to come up. Yeah, I know. SPEAKER_01: You know you have a a uh uh a tail. A tell, yeah. A pattern. I know when those kind of things are coming. Yeah. I can tell when you're gonna want to do the clean the house. I can tell when you're gonna want to go do something. SPEAKER_02: I feel yeah, no, I I uh I mean you should. You've been with me this long. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know. Yeah, you have tells. SPEAKER_02: There's a fine print in the marriage license that says Read her mind. Uh yeah, read the tells and act accordingly. SPEAKER_00: Yep. SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, anyway, when I do that kind of deep cleaning work on my uh spiritual baggage, I always feel like I need to clean my space next. Yeah. And just get the stealth, stagnant energy out of my physical space. I've always tried to kind of make our home our like spiritual sanctuary retreat, if nothing else for me, because it that's just kind of how I like to live. Garbage doesn't get to come in. And so when I do that deep healing cleaning of my mind, body, and soul, then I want to do it in my physical space as well. And boy, howdy, did we? SPEAKER_01: We did. SPEAKER_02: This bitch is clean. SPEAKER_01: You can eat off the floor, walls, cabinets, everything. SPEAKER_02: It's glistening. SPEAKER_01: Yep, it's nice. It's it's clean. SPEAKER_02: Yeah, feels really, really good. I love it. SPEAKER_01: So are you ready for this week's topic? SPEAKER_02: I am. SPEAKER_01: You know, there's this big trend going on that there people are talking about uh imposter syndrome. SPEAKER_02: I didn't I didn't see it. Um I take that back. So occasionally I will go through and just kind of see how the SEO and all that is working for us on our different things. So I'll go in as a I guess consumer. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: And look at the blogs, look at the website, see how it functions on the phone, you know, just kind of doing that thing. And uh interestingly enough, that topic came up when I was kind of just hunting and digging around, imposter syndrome. And uh I thought, hmm, that's interesting. SPEAKER_01: Right. You do you know what it means? SPEAKER_02: Um, I have my own thoughts that I've been marinating with on what I think it means. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like what it is. SPEAKER_02: I don't know what the they is saying. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what the mainstream is saying is imposter syndrome is when people do things that are really they say, say, for example, you are a consultant and you're consulting about accounting or math or something. SPEAKER_02: Okay. SPEAKER_01: And then they put out information about it, and then they start questioning themselves. SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh. SPEAKER_01: That they feel like they're doing something that they're not qualified to be doing. SPEAKER_02: I see. SPEAKER_01: And so it's it's uh a very big topic right now because people are dealing with it because they're not f seeing their own worth within it, what they're doing. And so they they have it has now been coined as imposter syndrome. SPEAKER_02: I see. Okay. SPEAKER_01: And it was really funny is it was when I was reading about the yesterday about imposter syndrome, I was reading about it, and it was like they're they're the whoever that they put out the information that forty percent of human beings have imposter syndrome. Because they don't know their own worth, their own value. SPEAKER_02: I would agree with that a hundred percent. SPEAKER_01: And here's the crazy part about it for me, this is what really brought it to my attention was you know the other day when I posted on my Instagram talking about, you know, we're I was talking about change and how people um have different hats that they wear. SPEAKER_02: Right. SPEAKER_01: That's actually was what I said was you have different hats that you wear. Yeah. When you go to work, you're one person. When you go home with your wife by yourself, you're one thing. When you go get with your kids, you're another person. Right. When you go hang out with your friends, you're a whole nother person. Yeah. People have multiple hats. Right. And because at first I thought, hmm, that's kind of crazy because I talked about that, and then this imposter syndrome thing is out there everywhere. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_01: And so that's what made me look into it. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: But I think the crazy part about it is, is when I had the comment on that Instagram that somebody said, Why are you why are you telling people it's okay to have multiple personalities? And and the here's the funny part about it, is I wouldn't looked at this person's page that commented because I didn't respond. I just I just liked the the comment and moved on. Yeah. And this person's a car salesman. SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow. SPEAKER_01: And and he and on his reels, he complains about how people act one person when they're in sales, when they come in to buy, and the minute they start talking about money, they change completely. SPEAKER_02: Meaning his customers. SPEAKER_01: His customers. SPEAKER_02: I'd be interested to go and meet him and see if he does that as the car salesman. SPEAKER_01: He does, I guarantee you he does. SPEAKER_02: You know he does. Absolutely. SPEAKER_01: They all do it. SPEAKER_02: Because if you went home and you were going to say, okay, take 30 minutes and play with your kids, but you still had your car salesman hat on, your kids would be like, Who's this crazy fucker? SPEAKER_01: Right. Why are you trying to sell me my toys, Dad? SPEAKER_02: Right. Like, this is not fun. I don't want to do this. SPEAKER_01: Right. SPEAKER_02: Or if you constantly were had your salesman hat on with your spouse or partner or whatever. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: That would be again if if that was you and you were always trying to sell me on something. SPEAKER_01: I am a salesman. SPEAKER_02: I right I would tell you, just shut up. I don't want to hear that crap. SPEAKER_01: Right. SPEAKER_02: Stop trying to sell me on why I should do the dishes and not you. Stop trying to like I don't, you know, I'm just pulling out examples. That would be boring. SPEAKER_01: Right. SPEAKER_02: To say the least. SPEAKER_01: You know, we're Gen X and in Gen. We are in our gen, yeah. SPEAKER_02: Oh. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're Gen X. Aren't we? SPEAKER_02: I don't know. I thought we were Gen X. Imposter syndrome. SPEAKER_01: We grew up Foiled again. In a sin in a in a world where your parents both had to work. That's was the from the 50s Beaver Cleaver era to where mama stayed home, daddy went to work. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: And then and then the R, you know, our generation, it basically became a two-income household requirement. SPEAKER_02: Absolutely. It morphed into very quickly. SPEAKER_01: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: And and so the imposter syndrome, I think, goes very a lot deeper than just what they're putting it on the mainstream because you have these men and women, moms and dads, that go to work and they come home and they don't know how to turn it off. And because and and so you gotta ask yourself why. Because here's the depth of it for me is when my mom first went to work, she would come home and she would treat everybody like an employee. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: And because and so you gotta ask yourself why do they do that? Because that's what that's what prompted this thought after the conversation with the Instagram and then the the guy and then all this, and I'm thinking, huh. So they don't understand like even the guy, the comment, he don't understand what his roles are in life. Because that's all a different role that you're playing. SPEAKER_02: Right. SPEAKER_01: And you have it you've seen it a lot with the dads, they would come home and they wouldn't be loving. The moms would come home and they wouldn't be a mom anymore. SPEAKER_02: Right. SPEAKER_01: And and we as human beings, we naturally take on roles. SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, of course we do. SPEAKER_01: And so the depth of this topic goes way deeper than Imposter Center. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. Well, I agree with you. I think it actually even originates back in the industrial era where you I think that the J O B, you know, I I want to say in the 40s, 50s, when there were factories, you wanted to uh program individuals that they couldn't be anything more. You wanted to program them that this factory is your livelihood and be all about the job and do it at any cost. So if I call you after you get off and say you got to come back to work, you be willing to stay late, be willing to sacrifice family, whatever that looks like. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: I that's where I think that it kind of started actually, yeah, is programming them to be only one character. Yes. For longevity, for you know, the factory work, no matter whether it was then or now, is fucking boring. Oh, yeah. I cannot imagine standing or sitting in the same place doing the same thing every day over and over with the only driving force that okay, if I do this long enough, I can retire and I'll have a pension to survive on when I'm old and can't do anything. SPEAKER_01: Right. Fuck that. You know, when I was I didn't I'm not doing it. I had to go get coins yesterday for the laundromat thing here. And uh well there was a Publix manager there. And she had said something to the manager, like, Why don't you come to work for Publix? and and she said the manager racetrack said to the Publix manager, like, Why would I do that? Racetrack's got really good retirement. And then the Publix lady said, Well, I've been there 14 years and I have six uh six-figure retirement already. And I said, Fourteen years and you only have six-figure retirement? Really put that into perspective. SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly. SPEAKER_01: Because if you were to go out and create one channel in one year and go viral twice, you've now you have now created your entire retirement that you're so proud of with Publix. SPEAKER_02: Right, after 14 years. SPEAKER_01: After 14 years. SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if you had put that time and commitment into your online presence for 14 years, right, you would have already well surpassed that. SPEAKER_01: But the topic and how this rolls into the imposter is I remember I because I I I interjected myself into the conversation. SPEAKER_02: Oh no. I can't send you anywhere by yourself. SPEAKER_01: Oh my god. So what do you plan on doing with the six figures? And she's like, Oh, I don't know yet. I can't touch it yet. Then is it really your money? So if you leave Publix today, how much of that do you get? Oh, I get 40% until my 19th year. So you really don't have six figures. Because you can't have it until you actually work for them for 19 years. And then it's probably at 25 years that you actually get it. Yeah, it's escalating at 60%. And then so you really don't have that until you're too old to have it. Right. And she's like, What are you, a financial advisor? SPEAKER_02: No, I'm just a common sense. SPEAKER_01: No, I'm just being an imposter. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. I'm just a common sense being. SPEAKER_01: I am just channeling and using common sense. That's all I'm doing right now. I'm having this conversation with you two three ladies for some reason in this moment, because for me, what you just said made zero sense to me. SPEAKER_02: Absolutely. There's no logic in it. I think that's, you know, us being brought up in the era that we were brought up in, we got to see uh that uh factory mindset. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: And we we we got a better understanding of reading between the lines. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: And so for us, one foot in that era and one foot in the next coming era made us realize I that makes no logical sense to do that, to commit yourself to one spot and and sacrifice everything else just so that in 20, 30, 40 years when you can't do anything but use a walker and shit your pants, yeah, you're gonna have this money, but even then, doesn't it come in and stipend? Like you don't just get handed this six-figure chunk of Well, you get control of the you get control of the wealth of it, but you you get penalized if you pull it out. Right, exactly. SPEAKER_01: And but you know, it and a prime example of what you're talking about is I remember my dad came off disability where they allowed him to work at he whatever well they lowered it enough to where he could go to work. SPEAKER_03: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: And he went to work for this big company, national company actually. SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh. SPEAKER_01: But he was making minimum wage. SPEAKER_02: Okay. SPEAKER_01: And and and I get it, you know, because he felt like his value had been lost. SPEAKER_02: Right. SPEAKER_01: Um, and self-sacrificed himself basically because he wanted to work to get he wanted to work. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: All those all those years that he wanted to work. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: You're not a productive member of society if you're not in the factory doing your prayer share of of the part. Right. And so if you're on disability, then oh you're you're less worthy. It's very degrading. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: Uh back then. You're or even another part of that is if you didn't go into the military uh when they called you up, what is that called? Drafted. SPEAKER_01: Drafted, yeah. He was drafted. SPEAKER_02: Right. But I'm I'm just saying some people that we talked to who couldn't go in when the draft came, yeah, very uh uh detrimental to their mentality. No, to their identity, right? Yeah, their identity in that whole imposter uh syndrome identity thing. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you know self-work. He was just he's just proof that you can dedicate yourself to a company for a very long time, and their benefit nowadays, it used to be back in the day the companies took care of you. Somewhat. Somewhat. I mean, like I know I have a couple friends that retired from the phone companies, and man, they their pension was insane and they had full control of it. SPEAKER_02: Right. SPEAKER_01: And but nowadays they you don't do that. They don't do that because they have IRA contracts and all the other stuff. But it's it's to me just justification or or proof of dedication to one company is not going to be beneficial as you think it is. SPEAKER_02: Yeah, definitely do your research, do your math, right, and check it out and really see if it sounds logical. SPEAKER_01: Right. So like and where I was going with that was is this woman's in this gas station. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: Projecting about how good it is to work for a grocery store chain and being an imposter. SPEAKER_02: Do you tell? Say more. SPEAKER_01: Because she was over there projecting to this person of being uh uh uh you know what's the word I'm looking for? Uh a good represent representation of what the company does for them for retirement. SPEAKER_02: I see. SPEAKER_01: And trying to convert her from racetrack to Publix or whatever. Right. Or to the grocery store. I probably shouldn't say their name, but the reality behind it is Publix is a great company, I'm sure. I mean, I'm sure they're a really good company. They've been around for a long time. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: They do good things, but it wasn't about the Publix thing. It was about what she was representing herself as. And I'm sitting there thinking, man, this is in my reality now. I'm starting to notice it all over the place. You know? SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, but she was doing it probably from a very unconscious programmed state. SPEAKER_01: 100%. SPEAKER_02: She truly believed what she was saying, and she truly believes that the program that they have set up is a very good program and very viable. Okay. Because there are some people in the world that are quite content living that type of life. They get in a job, the security of that, go to it every day, knowing that they have the stability of when I hit that invested number of years, then I can retire and I still will have a paycheck. Some people are quite content with that, yeah. And don't even let themselves think outside of that. SPEAKER_01: Well, and then and they're they're programmed. But you know, I think where I was going with this was is it made me look and say, Wow, that lady was just being an imposter. And I was being an imposter. And then I got to thinking about it, you know. There's an old saying that you get online you can be anything you want to be. SPEAKER_02: Absolutely. SPEAKER_01: And here we are. We're paying people all across the world. They're getting paid to be imposters every single day in their channels, in their the the things that they create. You know? There, you know, I I read a thing yesterday too, or this no, it was this morning, about twenty-something percent of YouTube channels are AI created by people. It's not even them. Well and so here we are with a world that's talking about imposter imposter syndrome when we're actually propagating. More imposter syndrome, man. SPEAKER_02: Well, so I think we need well, let's clarify because you started out saying imposter syndrome represented carrying an identity because you didn't have the self worth to be all. Authentic. SPEAKER_01: That is correct. Yeah. SPEAKER_02: So the it's not just because they create an AI persona. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: Doesn't necessarily mean they're being an imposter. SPEAKER_00: I agree. SPEAKER_02: It just means that that's an additional version of the hat that they wear. SPEAKER_01: Right. What I'm saying is is the depth behind this in the spiritual sense. SPEAKER_02: Okay. SPEAKER_01: Of how people are suffering from this imposter syndrome, supposedly. But yet they do it. SPEAKER_02: So is that what's the suffering part of it? I think I'm missing that. SPEAKER_01: Well, they say that they they're it be it causes insecurity basically. That because they have put their self out there and people are paying them to do it, but yet they don't feel like that they're worthy of the qualifications of it. And so it creates this negative mindset. And you're not you're not saying that. SPEAKER_02: Can you play the cricket button? Like I'm not following. SPEAKER_01: I'll get there in just a second. SPEAKER_02: I'm not following you. SPEAKER_01: But the depth of all of this together is that A, we're we're putting out articles. There's there are articles all over the internet about it. Okay. Telling people that it's okay to be have imposter syndrome. SPEAKER_02: Okay. SPEAKER_01: And just do you and be you. But yeah, and so that's the the the quietness behind it and the confusion behind it is it's perpetrated over and over and over to accept having it, but you don't have to have it. And so it's confusing, but that's what we do anyway. And so people have created a spiritual conscious, a spir a spiritual subconscious thought of themselves that they're not worthy of what they're projecting themselves as. SPEAKER_02: Well, and I think because imposter has a negative connation. SPEAKER_01: Yep. SPEAKER_02: And so if you're an imposter, you're faking something, or you're not being truthful. SPEAKER_01: Right. SPEAKER_02: When what needs to happen is the definition of imposter needs to be changed. Needs to be updated. SPEAKER_01: This you you're taking us right down the road, I was thinking. SPEAKER_02: Of course I am. SPEAKER_01: Yep. Go ahead. Keep on going, Dr. SPEAKER_02: It's interesting that you acknowledge that I'm a good driver on this microphone, but when we're on the highway, it's not the same thing. SPEAKER_01: It's not the same thing. Miss Distracted or Miss Painted. You go off into Lala Land somewhere. I don't know where you go when you drive. Yeah, you may U-turn four times and take three rights, but we'll get there. Of course. SPEAKER_02: I do it my way. I follow the box, man. Follow the box. SPEAKER_01: No, you don't sometimes I sat there and watched you ignore the box the other day. SPEAKER_02: I didn't say which box. SPEAKER_01: Right. SPEAKER_02: It may be the Cracker Jack box. SPEAKER_01: But you were taking that right down the road where I was thinking. Is this really an imposter syndrome or is it even just a misdefinition? Because once again, we have beliefs that are holding him back into a generation prior to us, or even in our generation, whoever they are, they're staying into that mindset, but yet they're being catapulted into this generation, this internet and social and uh uh what's the word, platforms that are going all over the world, but yet they're being because they're not they're not allowing themselves to change definitions and beliefs. SPEAKER_02: Well, it's it definitely is a word that needs a new definition. Yes. Because what needs to be realized is it it being an imposter means that you're pretending to be something you're not by the old definition. SPEAKER_01: Agreed. SPEAKER_02: But pretending to be something you're not is not necessarily a bad thing because of many different facets. When you go to a new job, you don't know the job yet. Right. You've got to be shown, even if you've got experience in office assistant because you've worked in all other offices, you don't know the new job format until somebody teaches you. So even in that sense, you're having to be an imposter under the new definition until you learn what that company's definition or job description is of that title. SPEAKER_00: That's correct. SPEAKER_02: So essentially what what we're saying, what I'm saying here is we wear many titles, we wear many hats. Just because you don't feel like you know them inside and out yet can make it feel like that it's untrue. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: Which then creates a lack of confidence in it. Right. And lowers your self-worth. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: Instead of toggling your perspective just a little bit and saying, okay, you know what? And we're gonna use office assistant as an uh example. Right. Yes, I've been an office assistant my entire career. I just changed companies. So I know the general basis of it, but I don't know how this company does it. And because you walk in and you don't necessarily know how they do it, there's always that little monkey mind thought of, oh my gosh, can I do this job? I noticed in the job description that there's some more responsibilities that I don't know how to do yet. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: And so for some people, that will they will consciously and sometimes subconsciously take them out of the running, themselves out of the running for the job because they'll convince themselves that yes, I've been an office assistant for 30 years, but I have never worked with Excel, just as an example. SPEAKER_00: Right. Yeah. SPEAKER_02: And if the job description says on their heavy Excel work, then if they have that imposter syndrome, as you're calling it from the old definition, they may very well not take the job. They may very well walk out the door when they find out what the job description is because they have a lack of confidence that they can fake it till they make it. Right. Or that they um misrepresented themselves to the interviewer or the new employer about being an office assistant rather than coming clean and saying, Yeah, I've got 30 years of office assisting, but I've never worked with Excel. But if but I'm a quick study, and if you're willing to train me, I'm willing to learn. SPEAKER_03: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: Because they they think that that, divulging that could take them out of the running as well. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: So by not divulging all of that to and kind of faking it till you make it, imposter syndrome, they then go in feeling like they maybe didn't present themselves completely and totally truthful. Which is what causes the starts to roll into oh my gosh, this is harder than I thought. Can I fake it long enough to actually get this learned? Then that deteriorates self-confidence. Right. And it's kind of like this mad loop of being the negative part of the imposter syndrome, rather than saying to yourself when you go in, yep, I got 30 years of office assistant. I know office assisting forwards and backwards. I don't know the Excel part of it, but the parts I do know and can do on autopilot will give me plenty of time to take that time and energy and learn Excel really quickly and rapidly, and talking themselves through that to maintain the confidence on the job, which then would take them out of the imposter feeling negative side of that. SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, I think uh another perspective of this is companies have pretty much removed the manager and the train in training off their people's titles. Like you go to Starbucks and get a job as a barista, you don't get you're not a barista in training, you're a barista. SPEAKER_03: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: You know, you you don't you're not a sacker at a grocery store or a sacker in training, you're a sacker. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_01: You know, because the reality is very simple in all in this world, and people are not thinking this, is there's levels to everything. Yeah. That you're learning, that you're being, that who you are, there's a level of that. Like you have some mothers that have been mother mothers once, they've been mothers three times, and so there's different levels to that. You know, you you learn as you go, you're continuously learning. SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly. SPEAKER_01: And so, but the value of within what you know and things is because you're to a point a different level than those below you. And so that's where the value comes in is your knowledge, your training, and your expertise. And no matter what it is that you do, there are people below you within it. And so your your knowledge and your experience becomes valuable because you are more experienced in it than they are. It's like you were. SPEAKER_00: I agree. SPEAKER_02: If you stay in that humble teaching place, if you're gonna use that as uh anchor for your confidence, then use it in a humble manner. Use it in a good way. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: I know more than this person, so I'm gonna take the opportunity to teach this person what I know while I'm learning what I don't know. Right. So they don't have to experience that uh not confident part in in their job. SPEAKER_01: You know, I think some of the best um people I've had that ever taught me anything were very humble. And they were very they were good at what they did and I wanted to learn from them. But the those ones that are egotistical that come at me, I wanted nothing to do with them. SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it's very that's very hard to digest for most people. SPEAKER_01: I agree. SPEAKER_02: Some people do well with it, but it's it's for most people it's very hard to to try and learn something from somebody who thinks they know everything and they're better than. Right. That's a very, very hard platform to learn from. SPEAKER_01: Right. Oh no. You get to put money in the jar. SPEAKER_02: Not just once, but twice. That's why I was grinning and was waiting to see if you heard it. SPEAKER_01: I heard the first one. SPEAKER_02: Oh man. SPEAKER_01: I know you were talking during the time. SPEAKER_02: Did you know that's why I was smiling? SPEAKER_01: Yeah. No, no, no, I wouldn't, I didn't put two and tune together, no. SPEAKER_02: But oh, darn. So I ratted myself out. SPEAKER_01: But so that's where I think we lose our value is in we're not realizing we're because the corporate mindset, the um So are they talking about out there in the world where you run around in? SPEAKER_02: Are they talking about it as it's a bad thing? Or are they talking about it as like like what's the thing? SPEAKER_01: None of them are really never nobody that I have seen has given any kind of um true explanation of it. Or it's kind of like their own opinion. SPEAKER_02: I see. SPEAKER_01: Um and there there is definitely nobody putting anything out there saying, Hey, let me help you get through this and let me explain to you what it is. SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because you know, we we all come in as impostors from time to time. I'll give you another example. When you first start dating somebody, 90% of people don't ever show their true colors. They come in with a facade or an imposter version of them that may not be altogether book wide open transparency. SPEAKER_01: They hide according to People Magazine, 97% of people do that for the first four months of a relationship. SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly. So that's that's a kind of imposter ship. SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is. It's totally imposter ship. SPEAKER_02: Everybody does it. SPEAKER_01: Right. SPEAKER_02: Um, and I don't I don't personally think that it's a bad thing unless you're purposely, consciously creating a situation where you're wanting to intentionally mislead somebody. SPEAKER_01: That's a true imposter. SPEAKER_02: Like the whole uh what do they call it? Catfishing somebody for a different agenda or um representing uh uh a service or a product in an imposter way just to get sales. SPEAKER_01: Yes. SPEAKER_02: I know that I've I've felt that as a consumer, I go into an establishment looking at their products, they sell me on things, but they purposely leave the fine print out. Yeah. And I don't know what I don't know. So I didn't know to ask the questions. And I find out later, after being a member of the membership or partaking in their product, I learn the fine print and I'm like, oh, like a bank, for example. You go become a uh user of the bank, and there you ask them, okay, well, what are the monthly fees? Well, there are no monthly fees on your account. SPEAKER_01: And then you get monthly fees. SPEAKER_02: And then you end up with a monthly fee because what they forgot to say was, as long as you keep$500 in the account, or no, or you or the number of transactions you have to get. It's like uh leaving a portion of that out made it okay just so they could get the transaction done. SPEAKER_01: Right. Or um because omission is lying. SPEAKER_02: That's right. Especially if you're doing it on purpose just to make a sale. SPEAKER_01: That's being an imposter. SPEAKER_02: That's being a type of imposter, but that's being an imposter with a specific unhealthy agenda. SPEAKER_01: Correct. 100% agree. SPEAKER_02: Being a an imposter on a positive note is you know, we because we all do it. I'll go back to my initial um example of office assistant. You apply for the job, office assistant, you've got several years under your belt, and you go in uh wanting to work for that company, and they use Excel a lot. You're not being an imposter by accepting the job because you intentionally want to do wrong. You just want to expand or grow or in encompass their learning uh opportunities um to to grow your resumes, so to speak. Right. It's if you went in and had never worked as an office assistant and you know, shoveled dirt and you made up a fake resume and said, Oh yeah, I've been an office assistant and weren't completely honest with them. Right. That's the difference, that's the change. 100%. And so I think that there's two versions of this imposter syndrome where one version is not healthy, right? And the other version is something we do every day. We just call it something different. SPEAKER_01: Right. You know, it's kind of like I I think a good reference point to it is uh I remember I can't remember who that was. A few years back I had put out something on the internet about resume writing. SPEAKER_02: Okay. SPEAKER_01: And how to word your resume differently. It means the same thing. SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh. SPEAKER_01: But you're wording it differently so it sounds more majestic. So instead of being a flight attendant, you're a person you're an aeronautical personal ass uh uh online or an in-air uh assistant service specialist or whatever, you know, something like that. That it was those kind of things. SPEAKER_02: Right. SPEAKER_01: And so being that, it's not about who you are, what you are, or what you're doing, or what product you're putting out. It's about understanding that no matter what you're doing or putting out, is somebody's gonna see it differently. And if you create it differently than everybody else, is that really being an imposter? SPEAKER_02: I mean, on certain of course it is. It's being an imposter. It's so I I think if we boil this down being an imposter is a perspective. I agree. If you feel like that you're not being authentic to whatever the Life Pie topic is, and you feel like that you are basically telling a lie to yourself or others, then yes, that is not a healthy way to go about impostorship. SPEAKER_01: Right. If you're being egregious, I agree. SPEAKER_02: If you are doing it from the new definition of we change hats and we change persona on a regular basis, depending on the crowd that we're in and what we're doing, that's a type of impostorship, right? But it's uh it's a healthy impostorship. Right. You like we started the channel out with this morning, the podcast out, impostorship is necessary. If you went around always with your car salesman hat on, you would not relate to your wife very well, you would not relate to your children very well, you would not relate to other situations where you're not trying to sell a car. Right. So you've got to have a certain level of impostorship. Um and essentially I'm just basically showing people how to create a new definition. There can be multiple definitions to things, right? SPEAKER_01: And and that's uh I think that's where they get confused. Sometimes people do. They just because you're at Starbucks learning to be a barista. SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm. SPEAKER_01: And they call you a barista. SPEAKER_02: Right. And it doesn't quite feel comfortable yet because you're still learning. It can feel like a lie. It can feel like you're being an imposter. SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right. SPEAKER_02: But the thing is, is that everybody's learning something somewhere along the way, and you don't don't lose your confidence in life just because you're learning something new. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: Because every day in every section of the life pie, if you're if you're not, if you're not learning, you're not growing. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: And so there's gonna be moments where it's uncomfortable. It doesn't necessarily mean that it's a lie or that you're misrepresenting yourself as an imposter. Right. It just means that you're there to learn and grow, and that's different than being uh an untrue faker imposter. SPEAKER_01: You know, and that's where I that's where I wanted to fall back into is the simple fact of in your own mindset. SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying you go out and be a catfisher with a very negative. SPEAKER_01: You just say catfisher. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. SPEAKER_00: Okay. SPEAKER_02: And with a negative, like, shitty agenda. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: I'm just showing people. SPEAKER_01: There's a difference between being an imposter, having an imposter syndrome, and being fake. SPEAKER_02: And I'm very surprised that they actually gave it a full official name of syndrome. SPEAKER_01: It's crazy. SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, you got a syndrome now. SPEAKER_01: I've seen there's over a million comments on Instagram about it. SPEAKER_02: Where's my medication for that? SPEAKER_01: Has to be an imposter syndrome. SPEAKER_02: What does that pill look like? I don't know. Sometimes it's yellow and sometimes it's red. SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it's I guess it depends on what kind of imposter you're gonna be, I guess. Because the reality is as long as you're being yourself, you're not being imposter. You're not being an imposter. SPEAKER_02: Right. SPEAKER_01: As long as you're being genuine to yourself and to others. And you're you're not fooling anybody. You're just being you're not being an imposter. You're just doing you. SPEAKER_02: That's right. SPEAKER_01: As long as you don't do it with malintentions. SPEAKER_02: That's right. SPEAKER_01: And so having some kind of negative thought over it because over it is it's stupid. And it's a it's a lack of understanding. SPEAKER_02: You're not a whole lot of people stupid. SPEAKER_01: Your own, I'm talking about this syndrome being called syndrome is stupid. Not saying the people are. SPEAKER_02: Because it just because you're so stupid for being self-conscious about being an imposter. SPEAKER_01: It's a lack of understanding of who they are or where they are, because if say you're in like you said, you're a new office assistant, you're on day three, and then they hire another office assistant is on day one. You now know more than the person on day one. unknown: Right. SPEAKER_01: Because you've now been trained for three days and this person's on their first day. So that makes your knowledge valuable. SPEAKER_02: Right. But does it make them an imposter? SPEAKER_01: No, that's what that's what I'm saying is people don't understand that no matter how smart you are or how dumb you think you are, there's somebody out there that needs the information that you have. And that creates and should create an internal peace of mind that who you are is genuine within it, and your knowledge is valuable. SPEAKER_02: Right, exactly. You are a piece of the puzzle. Every single one, every single person, and it takes every piece of the puzzle to put the puzzle together. SPEAKER_00: Right, right. I totally agree. SPEAKER_02: Every person is here for a purpose, yes, and that by itself needs to be recognized and be for uh people the place of confidence. Right. I I have a purpose. I'm here for a reason. What I have to share is valuable to somebody somewhere, right? Or two somebodies or three somebodies. SPEAKER_01: And you see, here's the crazy part about it is is 12,000 plus views or whatever on my Instagram. And I had one person be negative comment about that one video. So what in their mind do they think it's okay when there's eleven thousand plus other people that have enjoyed the the content and you're being negative. So this is the kind of stuff that people are pushing on to people because they're not seeing the value in others as well, and so they they're they're gonna be more egregious and outgoing and and online aggressive about it because they don't see that person's value. SPEAKER_02: Well, so that one goes a little deeper. SPEAKER_00: I agree. SPEAKER_02: It's not about just not seeing the other person's value, it's about they're no, it's about them having low self-esteem. Those people that lash out like that and they want to be derogatory usually have very, very low self-confidence and very low self-esteem. SPEAKER_01: And there are some people that side to call shit. SPEAKER_02: Nah, I mean that's that's true because they're not consciously aware that they're living in that trauma drama chaos loop, and that that's the only way of life that they know. Right. Because no one's brought it to their attention. Hey, idiot, you you're creating the trauma drama in your own reality. I mean, look at how you're behaving. SPEAKER_01: Right. Douchebag. You're being a douchebag. SPEAKER_02: And so for some people that's the normal way of life, and they aren't aware even that they're doing it. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: And that there's a different way to go about it. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: And that's some people will actually walk around behaving that way, thinking that this is how everybody else behaves, and this is the norm, this is what I'm supposed to do, because they were raised in a in a in a household or in a lifestyle where that was what was going on, and they logged that as normal interaction and normal behavior. SPEAKER_01: Right. You know, there's a phrase you know you're talking about uh owning it. You know, the you remember that? You know, whatever it is, you need to own it. It's yours. If it's yours, you own it. Yeah. And I think that this falls into that category because the imposter category? SPEAKER_02: Yes. SPEAKER_01: Because if you own who you are, that means you own all of it. And so if you own the negative, the positive, or whatever, the thoughts processes behind it, own it and look into it. Because this can apply to everybody out there. Yeah. No matter and imposter syndrome or not. Wherever you are in your world, own it. Be the best at it. Accept everything of it. SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna be an asshole and I'm gonna be the best damn asshole there is on the planet. SPEAKER_01: Yep, there are people that do that. I know a couple of them. And but you know what? But I I know who they are. And so I know that they're the best asshole in the world. SPEAKER_02: Right. SPEAKER_01: Because they are being true to themselves. SPEAKER_02: That's right. SPEAKER_01: And there's a lot to be said for that. SPEAKER_02: That's right. They are and and you know going in, that's just who this person is. That's who this person is. And you they've got the mentality of this is who I am as well, and you can take it or you can leave it, and it's not gonna bother me either way. SPEAKER_01: Right. So if you have if you need some loving, caring attention, you call your grandma. If you need an asshole, you call this guy. Because you know who they are. SPEAKER_02: That's right. SPEAKER_01: And that is not being an imposter. SPEAKER_02: Right. SPEAKER_01: Because you own who you are, you own it. Right. You own your space. unknown: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: And you own your your spot in life. SPEAKER_02: Exactly. SPEAKER_01: You know, like if you're a uh a barber, be the best barber ever. If you're a salesman, own it. Just own who you are. Right. And that's where a lot of people get misunderstood and c and turn it into negativity because they're not owning it. SPEAKER_02: Right. Or they get confused about who they are. SPEAKER_01: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: They haven't really decided what impostership. SPEAKER_01: And that falls on their personal value. Yeah, that falls on their own value. They can't really decide. Yeah. SPEAKER_02: Because they've been programmed that, oh, you can get more bees with honey, and so you must be nice and pleasant and uh la da da da da da. And assholes are not pleasant and da-da-da-da-da. And so trying to fit into something that you're not instead of really just checking in with yourself to say, you know what? And I made a t-shirt. Some days I'm rude as fuck, and that's okay. Because some days you are. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: Everybody is. Some days you're just fed up and it pops right out of your mouth, and it's like, ooh, that intercom was on. SPEAKER_01: That was a hot mic. SPEAKER_02: I didn't even mean for that to come out. But it's what was going on inside of you. Like, you are just what you are. Own it. SPEAKER_01: And I would tell you one time I was officiating a football game. I'm not going to say where. But one of my my I was the referee for the game. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: One of the officials, the back judge, threw a flag on a pass interference. Obvious pass interference, by the way. It was very obvious. It was defensive passive interference. And then so I go over to the to the offensive side and see if they want to accept the penalty or not, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then and I'm talking to the the defensive coach. SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh. SPEAKER_01: And he is just being straight dumbass. That wasn't a catchable ball, just all that stuff going through all these things. And and when I was walking back out, I pushed my mic, and then my back judge ran up to me. And I saw I had the mic was on, and I was like, Yeah, the dumbass coach over there. And it goes over the entire microphone at the stadium. I was like, oh shit, that was a hot mic. SPEAKER_02: Hot mic. SPEAKER_01: I I got taken off the microphone for like three months. SPEAKER_02: They didn't just charge you a fine and spank you on the hand? SPEAKER_01: No. No, it happens. SPEAKER_02: How can you not be on the mic to your job? SPEAKER_01: There's a oh no, I was I'm a headlinesman. I was filling in because our referee was sick. And so I was just filling in. SPEAKER_02: Oh, so you didn't get to fill in for a little while? SPEAKER_01: No, I didn't get to fill in for a while. In some of the games, you wear mics, all of them anyway. All of them wear mics. But there's a delay in them. That's what gets you. That's where those hot mics come from. Because sometimes they'll have a delay and sometimes they won't. And so normally when you're doing that kind of coaching. Just don't be an imposter. Right. You I when you when you turn the mic on, by the time you get to the middle of the field, it's now kicked on and you can hear it in your ear. But there's sometimes, as soon as you hit it, it kicks on. SPEAKER_02: Right. And so it was So don't say anything behind the mic that you wouldn't want. SPEAKER_01: So you can hear it. So you can hear it before you. That's what they do, they teach you. But anyway. So don't be an egregious hot mic. SPEAKER_02: Or just say things that you're okay going over the mic with. SPEAKER_01: Right. SPEAKER_02: Owning it. SPEAKER_01: I remember that going over thinking, oh my God, I just dug myself into a hole. This is not going to be a fun rest of the game. But anyway. SPEAKER_02: Well, if he was being a dumbass coach, then you weren't lying. SPEAKER_01: Well, all all coaches are dumbass. That's how you know. SPEAKER_02: Wow, you just made a lot of our listeners probably mad. SPEAKER_01: And that's okay because all coaches think that officials are dumbasses, so that's okay. SPEAKER_02: Oh, turn about fair play. SPEAKER_01: No, yeah, it's it's totally both directions. SPEAKER_02: It's an eye for an eye. SPEAKER_01: It it's definitely uh reciprocating. SPEAKER_02: I see. SPEAKER_01: So anyway, so how do you feel? Hungry. Hungry. You feel complete? SPEAKER_02: I feel like there's probably more to talk about, but I feel like it needs to marinate. What's basically happening with this topic is I feel like the collective is in a transformational state of uh so I think AI has triggered this for the collective because there's what I notice is people are creating content using AI, and they're saying, Well, is it really my content? SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: Or they're being badgered, you created that with AI, and so it's not even really yours. So I think that's what's happening a little bit and why this topic came up. This is my rabbit hole conspiracy theory. Right. And the and we've talked about this a little bit, is AI is not gonna just sit there and randomly create crap unless you feed it information and data. And so just because AI is helping someone uh take their chaotic thoughts and purposely organizing and structuring them into a readable article or readable book doesn't mean that you're being an imposter. Right. It doesn't mean that you didn't come up with the content. Somebody has to feed the AI the information. SPEAKER_01: People have been doing that for years. They're called they're called proofreaders. SPEAKER_02: Right. SPEAKER_01: Same exact thing. SPEAKER_02: That's right. SPEAKER_01: Just it's instead of a lab person, it's technology doing it. SPEAKER_02: And that's why I think this imposter thing is really coming up in the collective. Yeah. Is because the AI concept is there's a lot of buzz around that. SPEAKER_00: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: Of is it truly my content? Did I truly come up with that? Like I just posted your book. SPEAKER_01: How much of this was AI created? SPEAKER_02: That's right. SPEAKER_01: Now there's questions out there where it's like And so because it's crazy because what do you say to that question when you t when you put your manuscript in and you have Grammarly fix it or you have AI proofread it? SPEAKER_02: Grammarly is and then they reword it. SPEAKER_01: It is they are it all is. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: And so wh why are you even asking that question? SPEAKER_02: Right, exactly. SPEAKER_01: So are you especially before do you want the name of my proofreader? Right. SPEAKER_02: You didn't have to give the name and the phone number and the facts and the address of your proofreader. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: Right. But because it's now a robotic, animated, coded uh entity, so to speak, right, that is extremely intelligent, they say. SPEAKER_01: Right. SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's some days when my chat acts like a fucking idiot. SPEAKER_01: They're saying Microsoft Publisher can actually tell you exactly the keystrokes that have been put into an article, which you tell me how it does that if you copy and paste it into it. SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't know. SPEAKER_01: It's stupid. But you know. SPEAKER_02: So I think that's where it's coming from. SPEAKER_01: And we'll definitely have to have a part two to this one. Uh yeah, maybe. SPEAKER_02: If that's what the collective wants. SPEAKER_01: I guess we're I think you just touched on something that where that needs to go is the AI. SPEAKER_02: That's what I see collectively, is that why this imposter syndrome is coming up is because people are being questioned on the AI part of it. Is it really? Like you didn't write that book. Your AI wrote that book. Right. Well, where the fuck do you think the information came from? Well, it this is the And what is the definition of writing the book? Right. You mean did I take a pen and a piece of paper like some antiquated antiquated process and write it down like they used to. SPEAKER_01: No, it's all voice now. That's hardly any no book writers anymore. They all use their voice. SPEAKER_02: That's right. There's a reason why there's typewriters in museums. SPEAKER_01: I know you that you can't even buy a typewriter anymore anymore. SPEAKER_02: People don't use them anymore. And so it doesn't mean that I didn't write the content or that I didn't come up with it. It's wordplay. SPEAKER_01: It's like my book. I sit out there underneath that awning for I don't know, weeks talking just voice to text. Voice to text. SPEAKER_02: Right. And so technically, by definition of the Webster's dictionary, you didn't write a shittin' ass thing. SPEAKER_01: Right, because you like and this is what's bad is there's college professors that are holding this against kids because they're voice to texting. Yeah. And then it and when they put it into Microsoft Publisher to see if it was AI, it's showing that it's all AI. SPEAKER_02: Right. But they didn't use AI, or they may have put it in Grammarly to check the grammar and spelling and stuff. SPEAKER_00: Right. SPEAKER_02: But they did a voice-to-text thing, which is what I do all the time. Yeah. I do not even type anymore. I don't even like typing. I go around speaking. When you do type, you complain about it. The interesting thing is in the medical world, we did voice to text all the time. Yeah. It's a normal common occurrence to dictate it's not called voice to text in the medical world. Doctors did it for years, too. Dictate your assessment into a piece of equipment and then somebody types it up for you. So is it in fact your content and it is it your assessment that you wrote if we're gonna work? Exactly. SPEAKER_01: All they did was take the audio recording from the doctors and then put it on into writing. SPEAKER_02: Right. And so why is it okay for the medical personnel to do it? Right. And have been doing it for years, and now all of a sudden, authors and essay writers, students in school, it's not okay for them to do the same kind of con uh construct. SPEAKER_01: Right. You agree. SPEAKER_02: But so that's where I think it's stems from in the collective. SPEAKER_01: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: Well, uh Are we out of time? SPEAKER_01: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: Mr. Father Time. Father Time. Okay. SPEAKER_01: Well, uh, so guys, hey, don't forget to check out www.themirchcenters.org. Um you can see Dr. Jinny's blog at Dr. Jinny to the Edge and back at blogspot.com. And uh you can also check out Lucidium World at Lucidiumworld.com. And you can also check out Jenny's new yoga. She has partnered with a friend of ours named Danielle, and they're doing a very cool yoga called Gindan Yoga. It is a merging of Chinese medicine and regular yoga to where they're you're doing a whole body wellness. SPEAKER_02: It's not regular yoga, it's a lower impact yoga. SPEAKER_01: Again, yeah. SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh. It's a very low impact yoga. But what it's doing when you mix it with the meridian work, it's digging out that embedded trauma energy from the parts of the body and using the energy with it. It's a healing, deep energy work type yoga. So if you're looking for high impact, stay tuned, we'll put that together. SPEAKER_03: Yeah. SPEAKER_02: But this type of yoga really is gonna pull out the trauma energy, the trauma memory that gets stuck in the body and really help you process um the trauma dramas, grief, loss, uh, you know, sadness. Yeah. Just all that trauma drama. SPEAKER_01: Everything they're hanging on to. SPEAKER_02: Exactly. SPEAKER_01: Anyway, y'all check that out. You can check that out at www.themircenters.org forward slash gindan yoga. SPEAKER_02: Yeah. SPEAKER_01: And that's J-E-N-D-A-N Yoga. Very good. But uh other than that, I think I'm pretty much done. SPEAKER_02: I think we ring that bell, man. SPEAKER_01: Okay, don't forget to uh like, follow, and share with your friends and ring that bell, y'all. Hey, we hope y'all have an awesome day. SPEAKER_02: Love ya,